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  1. 1: Call me retarded once more, I dare you. I've warned you before. I'm trying to discuss this without resorting to namecalling, I do not take kindly to it. 2: I'm not in denial of anything. The reality is that Trump was impeached on two counts: obstruction of congress and abuse of power. There is ample evidence of the first, from his own mouth and certainly from his twitter thumbs. There is ample evidence of the second, though that evidence is more circumstantial. The testimony of witnesses can either destroy that charge or support it, so let's have those witnesses.
  2. You know even hearsay evidence is admissible? Funny thing is though, the initial hearsay is corroberated by the transcripts.
  3. This. Precisely this. Trump is setting a very dangerous precedent, aided and abetted by Mitch McConnell and the rest of the GOP. The nepotism, corruption and self-dealing in the Trump admin is so rampant and egregious that it should be stopped, he should be held accountable and he should be removed from office. Same for McConnell, as he violates his oath of office as well with his antics. But I'm sure the GOP will not mind while there's a Republican in office. Wait until a Democrat does anything remotely like Trump... they will lose their collective shit so hard that the Voyager will pick up the screaming. I'm also getting tired of the "the dems want to overturn the election results" bla bla bla that Fox and the others in Trump's Koolaid Crew are peddling... They do realise that if Trump is convicted and removed from office, that just means that Pence will assume the presidency. Now whether that's good is a whole other discussion, but it's still a Republican presidency.
  4. No. He's an old white man who claims to be rich, yet somehow can't afford to pay his bills.
  5. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/project-veritas/ Just saying..
  6. Right.. Obviously you don't know, since you're railing against the "illegal inquiry of the democrats". Okay, what I read matters greatly. I'll take that argument. Media bias is a thing. That's why there's sites like https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/. They objectively judge sources on left/right leaning, science or pseudoscience. So, when you disqualify my opinion because I'm European, it matters, but when I state that what the US does impacts the EU, you disqualify it? The EU is one of the biggest trade partners of the US. Get a fucking grip. Wake up call. China is taking over cheap labour. No amount of chest pounding Trump does will change that. Chinese workers accept much lower wages than we do, both in the US and in the EU where minimum wages are far higher. It's basic economics and you're guilty of it too. If you can buy product X for $19.99 in the US, or for $2.99 in China, you'll buy it from China. Trump's tariffs only mean it's more expensive for you to buy things manufactured with products from China (or any other country he hasn't slapped tariffs on). You do know tariffs are a tax on the consumer, not the producer right? Every president before Trump has been careful to keep long standing allies as allies. While not every president has been equally kind to trade partners and countries, they haven't just shunned all of them. Trump seems to only favour those countries that have dictators or strongmen leading them, like Russia, North Korea, Saudi-Arabia or China. The last only in private though, because the Trump family seems to get an aweful lot of trademarks pushed through.. Actually, the only thing that benefits China is exactly what Trump is doing. Making imports from western allies even more expensive with his silly tariffs. It makes for even higher cost disparities between European and Chinese products, leading to even more business going to China (and even more businesses in the US going out of business). Their abhorrent human rights policy has absolutely zero to do with the economics, that's just deflecting. Yes I suppose you would call it that, because I disagree strongly with your views. Your "MAGA!!!!!111oneone" ideas are just plain fucking stupid. Maybe move back to the bayou, live on a boat and stop pretending you can participate in intelligent discussion?
  7. I'll be migrating the website between Christmas and New Year's. A more exact date will follow.
  8. MueR


    Well, yes, but I thought I would leave out the insanely crazy for just the mildly "whatever the actual fuck are you talking about?".
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    The EU does not want a Brexit. Britain doesn't want a Brexit (unless you count the gullible idiots who fell for Boris' lies).
  10. Well, let me give you a quick course in civics and the workings of an impeachment proceeding. Yes, a European is giving you a course on civics. I've read up on it. The various committees in the House can investigate the president for whatever the hell they want. As you might remember, Republicans had plenty of investigations going on against Obama all the time. It's up to the Committee chair to start an investigation. Any evidence they gather, be it from documents or hearings, public or private, is to be sent to the House Judiciary Committee, as they are the only one that can bring impeachment votes to the floor. If the House Judiciary Committee finds that the evidence gathered is insufficient to consider articles of impeachment, that's the end of that. For reference, see the multiple Benghazi, Iran, US native and what not investigations the GOP launched against Obama. If they don't find sufficient evidence, Trump remains in office. However, if the HJC finds that the evidence is sufficient to support a full House vote, they send it to the floor. The full House will get to vote on whether or not to adopt one or more articles of impeachment. If that passes, Trump is officially impeached. Still in office, but impeached. The ball then gets passed to the Senate, as they are the courtroom for an impeachment trial, presided over by the Chief Justice. All evidence is brought before the Senate, witnesses get cross-examined, the whole deal you'll find on any trial. The Senate is the jury in this case, and they will vote on the outcome, guilty or not. A supermajority (2/3rd) must vote guilty if Trump is to be removed from office. If less than a supermajority votes to remove Trump from office, he's still impeached, but will remain in office until the end of his term (or second, should he win reelection). With the current Republican control of the Senate, that's unlikely unless some of them can actually grow a spine and objectively look at the evidence. This shouldn't be a party-line vote. This is a far more serious accusation than Bill Clintons, who only lied about getting a blowjob in the Oval. Based on the evidence (documents, quotes by Trump and his staff, testimony released so far), this is what the US Constitution defines as a high crime. This should be carefully weighed by each and every single Senator. This is not the Democrats impeaching Trump because he's a Republican, this is the House impeaching Trump because he comitted treason. It deserves their full attention. I can read. I read up on US politics pretty much daily. The fact that most Americans are only interested in their own country does not mean everyone else in the world is. I'm seriously interested in what happens in the US, because it has a direct impact on the EU. The current unstable buffoonery that Trump is calling "governing" is causing a very unstable world economy. His tariffs are seriously impacting industries both in the US and abroad, in a very negative way. His haphazard foreign policy makes the US a very unstable ally. That's dangerous and only benefits Russia and China. You should be happy that non US citizens are interested in your politics.
  11. There's no cloak and dagger. This is the process as per the rules that the GOP dictated in 2015. Similar to grand jury hearings, they're not open to the public. The public mind you, the GOP reps from certain committees can attend, ask questions and what not. They get as much time as any Democrat on the committee. They just lack any reasonable defense for Trump's obvious criminal actions and resort to publicity stunts such as "storming the hearing", which in itself is a criminal offense.
  12. Actually 12 (or 13, not sure) of them are actually on committees that would have allowed them to be there. Matt Gaetz certainly is. It's just a publicity stunt. One by which they violated security protocols and possibly are criminally liable. El Caudillo del Mar a Lago is becoming more unhinged by the day...
  13. Okay, first, there's three types of "abortion". The first is the morning after pill, which effectively is the regular anti-conception pill in a massive dose, designed to prevent any pregnancy from occurring after sex. While the massive dose of hormones might be not very nice for the body, I think we can all agree that's not what most "anti-abortion" people are against. Those that are, often are against it from a religious point of view I've found and I discredit views based on religion by the simple reason that your (not meaning you Bohemond, just your in the general sense) religion should not be forced upon me or anyone else, neither should your religious convictions hinder me in my daily life. Certainly not when that comes to family planning. The second is the medical necessity category. In these cases, it's the fetus comes out or the woman dies, or for example a child is put onto the world with severe medical defects which impact the viability of the fetus severely or have enormous negative impacts on the quality of life. Most will agree that in these cases there's some leeway. It is indeed a horrific process, these often late term abortions, but they serve a purpose. The third is the "regular" abortion. This is the one most "pro-life" people rail against. It's the process by which the clump of cells that has attached to the uterus is medically removed. Disregard all the horror stories about "the skull being crushed" etc, that's not the case here. Here's where the rubbish arguments such as "it's murder" come in, plus people thumping their bible. It's not murder. It's a clump of parasitic cells that feed of the host body for sustenance. There is no viability of life. So even the "sanctity of life" rubbish doesn't come in, as there is no sentient being. Unless of course we define a clump of cells a few weeks old to be a sentient being, but at that point you open up a whole other can of worms. We're talking unlawful imprisonment, guardians ad litem for any pregnant woman's fetus.. And most importantly: it's not your choice. It's the woman's choice, which is hopefully made with the full support of the man that was involved. It's her choice. Her body that will undergo hormonal changes for months, her life that gets dramatically altered if she carries a pregnancy to term. Most abortion laws in the US are drawn up by old men, politicians, some of which have demonstrated a truely abhorrent understanding of the subject matter. Politicians who will take lobbyist money and even complete concept laws before they will listen to experts. If you want sensible abortion laws, ask doctors. They too will include some who's religious views will include a complete ban on abortion, but the majority of the experts in the field will not, because they know what they are talking about.
  14. Well, the discussion about Trump's impeachment proceedings...
  15. Hi all, Just a quick heads up, I'll be moving the forum to a new server within the next few weeks. This will mean downtime for an hour or so as I move the site. I'll update this thread when I have an exact date.
  16. Okay, moderator time here.. this topic is veering off the US Elections and moving into a Trump topic. Either I split off the Trump discussion to a new topic, or we go back on topic and drop the Trump/Ukraine/whatever talk. Any objections to the first?
  17. This. Very much this. Authoritarian tactics, the "Whataboutism". What about Benghazi, what about Hillary's emails (what about the Ivanka and Jared using private servers), etc. Deflect deflect deflect.
  18. Please, re-read my wall of text (skip the biden part if you will) and respond.
  19. You know Interfax is a Russian state agency right?
  20. Well, it's no secret that Trump hates Obama with a passion. He started the whole bither nonsense and he's gone out of his way to reverse everything Obama did, regardless of what it was. With regards to the EPA, he's just an ignorant idiot who denies climate change and panders to his big business friends. He doesn't give a crap about coal miners, because if he did, he would subsidise plans to train them into different jobs. He cares about coal because his wealthy donors are in that sector. I'll agree that nuclear power is a viable alternative too. However, we should not rule out solar and wind. Solar is certainly viable and can make certain houses energy neutral or even energy negative (meaning they supply others). It depends on the location, as does wind. ---- Perhaps you should read it anyway. I think I make some fair points https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/ https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/oct/11/donald-trump/trump-ad-misleads-about-biden-ukraine-and-prosecut/ https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/fact-trump-tv-ad-misleads-on-biden-and-ukraine/ https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/03/what-really-happened-when-biden-forced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/ So far, all there is is Donald's claims that something was corrupt. Ukraine is investigating (again), even though former prosecutors there say there's nothing wrong. If they do find he did something wrong, I'll happily admit I was wrong. Until that time, there's just no evidence. Only that Biden told Ukraine, by joint agreement with many western nations and the EU, that the prosecutor was not doing his job. This was not a Biden thing, this was a world politics thing.
  21. There's no criminal activity on the part of Biden, at least none that's documented with proper evidence. He, as VP, requested that a corrupt prosecutor was removed from office, that is true. He was however only the mouthpiece there, as it was a request joined by many European countries. Mike Pence.. no. He's worse in other respects. A creepy, homophobic, women-hating zealot. But that still does not mean that the impeachment proceedings should be halted. Trump committed an impeachable offence by using his office to (attempt to) extort the Ukrainian president into starting an investigation on Biden for his political gain. He has since committed several impeachable offences by stonewalling Congress in the execution of their legal tasks. Such behaviour should not be tolerated by any US citizen, no matter their party, as it degrades the office of president. The often asked question "how would Republicans have reacted if Barack Obama had done this" comes to mind and I think you know the answer. Criminal activity like extortion by a US officer or employee (18 U.S. Code § 872), refusal to comply with a lawful subpoena (2 U.S. Code § 192), coercion into political activity of an employee of the federal government (18 U.S. Code § 610), or a government official, “in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President.” (18 U.S. Code § 595), should never be tolerated. These aren't from my bias against Trump by the way, this is actual US penal code, applied objectively to the actions of Trump, backed by the documents he himself has released (call transcripts, text messages etc). Europe does not want the US turned into an Islamic colony. I don't know where you got that idea, but we don't. We want normalcy again. A US President we can count on, not one who changes the direction of his administration based on what Fox News discussed in the past 15 minutes. We've been allies for decades, engaging in fair trade, cooperation on the world stage, forming a united front on many things. We've assisted the US in their wars and military actions in the Middle-East and in Africa. We just can't deal with Trump's stupid when it comes to international relations, like his trade war, or his veto in UN resolutions that would make rape a war crime (what the actual..). We want a president like Obama, Clinton, or the Bushes. Those with a level head, those that first and foremost know what they don't know and will pick experts to join their cabinet on those positions. Trump does not do that, he picks his billionaire donors and lobbyists who contributed heavily to his campaign. He picks loyalists over expertise, and that is dangerous for the US and for the world. I will agree that the Affordable Care Act was a bit of a dud, especially now that Republican state AGs, members of congress and the supreme court have gutted the most influential parts of it along party lines. But the US healthcare system was always fucked up. When I compare it to my own country, the Netherlands, we are required by law to have health insurance. There's a basic package every company offers, with the medical care that is covered defined by law. The rates for this package vary between companies, but only a few euros. Additional packages are also available with all of them and a few even allow you to pick and choose exactly what additional cover you want. Children under 18 are automatically insured under your package, free of charge. Once they turn 18, they have to pay their premiums, but they are also (in 99% of cases) eligible for a return on those premiums (basically a government discount). Low income families are also eligible for this discount, with a good few paying absolutely nothing. Oh and we don't know pre-existing conditions. An insurance company is required by law to accept you and cannot charge extra for any medical history. If I end up in the hospital tomorrow, maybe the intensive care unit, I pay next to nothing for it. There's a yearly cap on what I have to pay myself (for things covered by insurance) you see, which is 375 euros if I'm correct. Anything above that comes out of the pocket of the insurance company. And since everyone pays their premiums, that's just fine. So in a way, our system is much better than yours. If I need medication, I can get it, insurance company pays. I don't have to weigh paying for my healthcare against paying for my home. There is a downside to it though.. waiting lists. This is where the US system of "if you can pay, you're getting treatment" is better. If you can afford the treatment or surgery needed, you can pretty much get it done within a few days, maybe a few weeks. That is probably also why Canadians come to the US. They can afford the treatment and they'll get it quicker. You won't see the lower income Canadians there though, they can't afford to do that. They'll wait. Okay, Immigration is a problem in the US. There's 4 ways of getting into the US: family, work, luck and bad luck. Trump often claims (as do many of his defenders in Congress and on Fox News) that it's all illegal. Family: Trump's a hypocrite here, and completely uninformed too. He has no problem rushing his in-laws through what he calls "CHAIN MIGRATION" (the family category). For those without political pull, depending on country, it can take years or even decades to get in through family based migration. Mexican? Try waiting 30 years for your green card (if approved). Indian? Try waiting 60 years. There's limits on how many people can get a green card per country per year. Work: You can get into the US on a work visa. Depending on which type, that visa can last a few months to a year. Your employer has to sponsor you though and if your employer terminates your employment, you're out again. Oh and once every year you have to go back to the US embassy in your home country to extend it. You might get a green card eventually, you might not. Again, based on country it can be hit and miss. Unless of course, you have political pull and can get your model wife in on a genius visa. Wonder what warranted that, because modelling is not one of the categories for that visa. Oh and.. Trump loves this category when it comes to his hotel/resort employees, even though he isn't much bothered if they don't have one: even cheaper. Good luck: The lottery. People can apply for this and if approved after a thorough screening, a certain number of people (again, limited by country) can get randomly selected by a computer and they will get a green card. The limits per country are across categories though, so it's a really low chance depending on where you're from. I might get one within a few years, someone from Mexico or India has more chance of being struck by lightning, while winning the jackpot two lotteries on the same day. Bad luck: This is your "shit has hit the fan" category. People fleeing from natural disasters and extremely hostile surroundings and what have you. Trump has all but eliminated this category, lowering the amount of admissions for this category from 110000 per year under Obama to almost 0 (he's considering it). This is the refugee category. These are the people who need help. Those for which the words inscribed on the statue of liberty are, the ones that made America call itself the land of the free: "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Well he sure is an asshole, and then some. And I agree that Hillary was the reason Trump won. The Dems could have put pretty much anyone but Hillary on the ballot and it would have been a landslide. Many Democratic-leaning voters and Independents stayed home because they didn't want Hillary. Many Republican voters who despised Trump did too. I doubt the last category would have turned up for Bernie, but a more moderate Dem candidate might have gotten their vote too. The Democratic party owes the Trump presidency to their own poor choice, with a little help of partisan gerrymandering by the Republicans.
  22. That sarcasm Anyway, the Kurds didn't fight in Normandy en masse, though a few did. They did fight in WW2 though.
  23. Women are very much responsible too. They should make a guy wear a condom if they can't take the pill, or maybe even if they do. There's also things like STDs. There's a reason the condom is the oldest and safest form of birth control. Your previous posts however seem to indicate that you think that if a woman doesn't want to get pregnant, she should just take the pill. As was explained to you, not everyone can. Second, no it is not better to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term and put it up for adoption. There's the socioeconomic reasons why it's a bad thing: the woman's life is on hold for a good half a year, meaning their education might suffer, or their career, or they simply can't afford the care they need while pregnant which in the US is hard enough with the religious right constantly threatening clinics like Planned Parenthood's. Then there's the psychological damage that can occur years down the road, for both the mother and the child. There's years of well documented studies on this subject. And I'm not even getting started on pregnancies resulting from rape or incest or the long term damages those can cause. Or on fetuses with high likelihoods of medical complications like down syndrome or severe physical defects. Third. Yes you have every right to say what you want, that does not however mean that I have to facilitate you on my forum. If I want to read "alt right" bullshit, I'll just read the Twitter feeds of the orange baby and his most ardent enablers in congress. I'm perfectly fine debating politics, but without "leftist" "libtard" and the likes. If you don't like that, fine, go rant elsewhere. Arnold shouldn't be president either. He sure is charismatic and did okay as governor. But what the US needs is someone who can fix the mess Trump is making of the economy and the political landscape, both domestic and abroad. Arnold just isn't that guy. I mean, his approval ratings weren't entirely on him, there was also the global economic crisis which made a mess of even California's economy, but he's just not the beacon of light the US needs. Then again, a chimpanzee would probably do better with the economy, social policies and foreign relations than Trump.
  24. MueR


    A border between Ireland and Northern Ireland is the worst outcome though. Unless we want the Troubles back..
  25. Okay that is just the most batshit answer you could give. First as previously mentioned, not all women can take the pill for a wide range of reasons. Second, where the actual flying fuck is the responsibility of the man in your "argument"? He can wear a condom or get a vasectomy. But condoms can break (happened to me) vasectomies can reverse themselves. Then there's a host of socioeconomic reasons why even a couple who would want a child and get pregnant decide that it's not in their best interest or that of the child to carry a fetus to term. And if you even fucking dare to say that the women can just put the child up for adoption, you are so fucking skewed and blind in your supposed moral "superiority" that I am immediately done with you. If you even dare to bring up that sort of bullshit, I will very "respectfully" tell you to FUCK. OFF. Get a fucking grip and take your "pro-life" bullshit elsewhere. I'm perfectly fine debating the morals of abortion, but not with someone who is this far up their own/whichever overly religious moron they follow's ass that they're completely incapable of reason. I speak from experience when I say an abortion is not something you do lightly, nor is it something without potentially far reaching psychological effects. Don't even fucking dare.
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