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Posts posted by LasraelLarson

  1. 1 hour ago, Doro said:

    You've literally got no clinical trials to back up your position

    and they are starting all over the world...

    as the media now inquires about timelines for approval and the like, everyone is going to get a crash course in the Bureaucratic red tape that exists in the States.

    another little thing i never linked here was how Washington State, which was one of the first flash points in the US has had better success than New York, did a couple of things like ignoring regulations around testing, to fast track response time, a move that is being credited as succeessful.

    regardless,  these delays will serve to highlight many issues with the current supply chain and why it is that things like test kits don't get made over night.

    i think for the smarter here, it will be self evident how this ultimately helps Trumps position.

    plays right into his hand in fact.  ;)


    seems the helping hand China is sending is not so welcome.

    but they sure managed to conduct a reliable double blind, non defective clinical trial in short order.  _O-

  2. 28 minutes ago, Doro said:

    You're confusing potential management of symptoms with a cure.

    not confusing anything.  this is therapeutic to improve conditions and mitigate surges of critical conditions where respiration is needed.  i never called it a cure.  the tech mag did use sensational language, but that does not eliminate the benefits of this drug.  it does work to keep a persons immune system from deteriorating to the point secondary issues and organ failures make things much worse.

    28 minutes ago, Doro said:

    The only supposed clinical trial has shown no effect. As someone who has repeatedly claimed concern over unforeseen long-term effects of the virus, you should be applying the same suspicion to any claims of an untested, unverified cure.

    from china.

    how come the french trial produced different results?  why did South Korean CDC also recommend this treatment?

    and this drug HAS been tested for Malaria, Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis  & AIDS as a successful immune modulator.

    the reason you'd use an immune modulator on a Flu though...  well ther is reason why some would be worried about that regard, because it showcases some of the more irregular features of this new virus...


  3. last post edited to include key missing video segment.

    21 hours ago, Doro said:

    Nope, look up what actually happened and the details involved. You've fallen for clickbait.

    you still have failed to show why it is click bait.

    but here is more proof from me that it is not click bait:


    ^that^ is from March 12 2020, before Trump ever said anything about this drug.

    it is not click-bait and in my previous post i have explained why an immune modulator drug is effective for this particular disease.




  4. 21 hours ago, Doro said:

    A drug for a different disease that has no evidence as treatment for COVID-19

    why would a drug for treating Malaria have any effect for a flu?  answer, it would not.

    but this isn't just a flu bro.

    hydroxychloroquine is an effective immune modulator that has success in treating Malaria, Lupus, rheumatoid arthritis  & AIDS...  in other words immune compromised sicknesses.

    so why is this working?

    ... and yes it is working, even before the French clinical trials  & before Donald Trump promoted it as potential therapeutic treatment...  South Koreans (and others) have also had success with its use.

    anyway getting into a discussion that this forum isn't really prepared for...

    the SARS like spike receptor for Covid19 is optimized by a factor of 10 for transmission.  and while that is important for modeling infections...  and it could be naturally selected for through mutation over a significant period of time...  the optimization for transmission by a factor if 10 is a rather aggressive mutation adaption to say the least.  a concerning thing, but...  this isn't the part that concerns me the most.

    once transmitted, the attacks on the immune system, whilst not identical to other immune system compromised diseases, STILL compromises the patients immune system.  this is where secondary issues become a risk factor, when normal immune function is compromised & also why this hydroxychloroquine treatment is having reported successes.

    additionally to the above...  the other factor of this virus, hemorrhagic attacks on organs beyond the lungs causing damage, collapse, and internal bleeding.


    so yeah an immune modulator medication is effective therapy.  it is not click bait.  and it has been successful.  there is proof and as time rolls on that proof will become ample.

    with regard to that SARS spike receptor transmission factor optimized by a factor of 10X...  what an efficient little adaptive behavior to have occurred entirely naturally...

    unless that isn't how these modifications occurred at all:


    edit: whoops the above video was missing this section:

    it is entirely plausible this little designer chimera was cooked up in a lab.

    The Wuhan19 CCP Chimera Virus.


  5. how bought you link some counter info Doro.

    you have provided jack shit in the way of evidence for counter-arguments.

    the nuh-uh routine is fucking childish.

    either you start backing up what you are saying or we are done.

    as example

    7 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Nope, look up what actually happened and the details involved. You've fallen for clickbait.

    your assertion is empty, like limp dick flaccid, empty barrel projection.  hydroxychloroquine is a successful treatment.

    you do not posses an argument.

    everyone else, bear witness as Doro is about to fire another blank.

  6. 34 minutes ago, Doro said:

    but Republicans basically run things in the US right now.

    not the house.

    34 minutes ago, Doro said:

    I'm saying Federal power is being requested to help State power, and Trump is delaying, refusing, or doubting the necessity of such help.

    and you are wrong:


    the travel bans did help slow the speed.  that was the entire purpose, to delay to gain more time to prepare.

    34 minutes ago, Doro said:

    drug for a different disease that has no evidence as treatment for COVID-19,

    wrong again:  https://techstartups.com/2020/03/18/breaking-controlled-clinical-study-conducted-doctors-in-france-shows-hydroxychloroquine-cures-100-coronavirus-patients-within-6-days-treatment-covidtrial-io/

    34 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Something they needed earlier,

    production lines had to be converted, you act like this virus existed last year.

    the gravity of this situation has only really been known since roughly around January 23 when the massive lock-downs started to occur in China.  It is now the end of March, exactly how do you propose earlier being remotely realistic without also exposing your jaw dropping stupidity in the process.  roughly 60 day response time is pretty reasonable.

    your lazy ass thinks it can magic something like that up over night....  hilarious.

    34 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Not Trump's doing, though.

    oh Trump very much played a part.  these company executives have been meeting with him for several weeks now.

    34 minutes ago, Doro said:

    It's either verifiable

    so far i have linked a lot of verification...  you've ignored.  ventilators have not happened...  yet.  but there are companies that could fill the gap quickly:


    as to your next segments regarding private companies.  Trump has always maintained that the private sector was the solution, not government.  it has always been his game-plan and he has never stated otherwise.  though Trump is on record regarding private sector constantly, as are his team.


    34 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Change the tune.

    you know that is a good idea.  you are a bore anyway.

    this is way more interesting...


  7. 1 hour ago, Doro said:

    Stop deflecting

    right after you.


    1 hour ago, Doro said:

    nobody gives a shit what some out-of-power Democrats have or haven't done.

    you mean lefty do nothing flakes don't give a shit.

    BTW i was not talking about Hillary Clinton.

    i am talking Federal power and State power.  you seem to think the Federal power is 100% responsible whilst simultaneously absolving the individual states of any.

    1 hour ago, Doro said:

    What is it you think Trump has done that's helped?

    we know how this goes already:


    and you respond, that was nothing.

    i mention china travel ban, you again say does nothing.

    fuck your shifty ass schizophrenic goalposts moving.

    things i haven't yet mentioned yet...

    * using hydroxychloroquine as treatment for patients with Covid19.

    * New Balance manufacturing PPE & hospital gowns. & the many other companies now involved inside the US to help with the fight.

    and now you'll say, "still nothing."

    you are kinda just like Rachel Maddow who can't see anything, therefore it never happened...

    problem is you just aren't paying attention.

    we will see what happens with GM and ventilators, but it would not surprise me if another company or 2 or 3 aren't also lined up and ready to produce and ship these items.

    and of course because it hasn't happened yet, you will say it won't happen.  and when it does, you'll stick your head in the sand and move to the next attack, and then the next.

    Meanwhile Trump will get up again each day and deal with it.


    some things are VERY predictable.

  8. you 2 are clueless.

    Trump doing something Vs. Trump doing everything.  right over both of you thick lefty heads.  as expected.

    this isn't about Trump getting credit.  it IS about the opposition having an accomplishment column that is entirely empty... well there was the impeachment fiasco, that sure paid off.


    the States that expect the Federal apparatus to entirely handle everything...  cede much.

    all the more rich when they complain incessantly over something that was not totally outside their purview.

    do nothing losers continue to cry and do nothing, because they are losers.  keep on losing, crybabies...

    Trump will handle this.

  9. 26 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Trump's the POTUS. It's his job to deal with the situation, it's not a favour. He has to provide during the crisis, regardless of what colour state gets helped. It's not a thing where credit is the focus (funnily enough, people are more concerned with deaths than petty partisan point-scoring), he has to put the US first without any thought of recognition and do what's necessary.

    the 10th amendment to the US constitution.  an interesting thing with regard to healthcare...

    you make it sound like everyone else is powerless.  not true.

    27 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Which he isn't doing.

    heh, that is where you are wrong.

  10. 1 hour ago, Splay said:



    “Pardon me if I’m a little emotional, but I’m living with this 24 hours a day and I’m seeing people die all around me,” Cuomo said. “The science people, the government professionals have to stand up and look the president in the eye and say this is not a political exercise. This is not press relations. It’s not optics. The tsunami is coming. We know it is."

    is New York completely broke?


    just keep asking Trump for more...


    what happens when it is time to take credit?


    USS comfort (1000 beds) is ready to go today, as is the 1000 beds in Javits Center (which can expand to 2910 beds.) in addition to the central park field hospital.  PPE production is going to be at 50,000+ per day in very short order.  & the ventilator situation...  is Trump going to provide for absolutely every last contingency?

    what happens if Trump succeeds on all counts?

    let me guess...  it still won't be good enough.


    maybe the opposing side might want to do something yourselves so when credit time comes, collectively you have something besides bellyaching and a big fat goose egg on the other side of the ledger...  just sayin.

    or you know, keep moaning that Orange Man fool is doing nothing.  because as i said before, the plate of crow servings will be plenty...



    please consider what the list of credits your side can legitimately come up with and take credit for...  cause beyond bellyaching, that current list seems rather short.  you have literally spent all your time trying to undermine/impeach Trump.

    do nothings get no credit...

  11. 8 hours ago, FundinStrongarm said:

    You're correct. 

    i the truth ever surfaces, i suspect the numbers will be something like: 1,500,000 infected and 150,000 dead.  a 10% mortality rate.  still dwarfing everywhere else.

    truth may remain hidden for some time yet especially with the WHO and western media outlets carrying water for China.

    but the 81,439 cases and 3,300 deaths number currently is just flat out false.

    oh media what would we ever do without you...

    ^same situation for California^


    comparison video is not uploaded to hosting yet, but CBS caught using footage from Italy:


    so totally dishonest.


  12. 31 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Two. Death or recovery. Reinfection isn't an outcome, it's repetition with the outcome once again being death or recovery.

    you familiar with the 3 waves of the Spanish Flu?  2 wave was the deadliest.

    the parts of SARS2 that are like "SARS", isn't my concern...  its the "2" part (or the things not like SARS) that has me asking questions.

    thing about this is looking back with clarity at the death total...  will it take 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years?  no one is afforded that privilege currently. 

    with the flash point of this situation blatantly obscured by the Chinese Government...  the only point i would agree with you on, is it is pointless to include China as that false model skews the results everywhere else.

    1 hour ago, Doro said:

    Nothing sensationalised about that fact either.

    On 3/26/2020 at 5:32 PM, Doro said:

    these sorts of sensationalised figures

    cooking the numbers like U Wuz the Wuhan Institute of Virology...



    Taking bats as the research object, I will answer the molecular mechanism that can coexist with Ebola and SARS- associated coronavirus for a long time without disease, and its relationship with flight and longevity.

  13. 9 minutes ago, Doro said:

    And again, because those are the two outcomes for the virus.

    On 3/26/2020 at 5:32 PM, Doro said:

    so until then this is simply morbid speculation. I post it because I'm wondering how long it's going to take for the media to start doing the same, knowing these sorts of sensationalised figures can drive their engagement rates up (unless they are already).

    * death

    *full recovery

    *partial recovery with secondary issues that subside over time

    *partial recovery with secondary issues that are lifelong


    that's at least 5 by my count.

  14. 58 minutes ago, Doro said:

    Again, the mortality column will be more relevant as this progresses, but for now it's only really any use to compare to the world figures

    and again you are using the recovered to deaths as calculation

    when you use contracted cases to deaths...

    EU= 6.6298115336%

    US= 1.7452683835%

    or the fact France is likely to pass Germany here fairly soon and it will accelerate there, as it has in Spain.  Germany seems to be fairing well, though this:

    German finance minister commits suicide

    has me thinking Germanys late start may not hold for much longer, though for hospital capacity and respirators, they seem to be the best off, so perhaps they will handle the surge better. 

    regardless, the percentages are rising.  when all the counting is done, will it be a global average of 4%...  10%...  or higher.

    also does infection plus recovery provide immunity?  are the side-effects of infection short term, or lifelong?


    April 30 is an extension of over 2 weeks past April 12.  so not over by Easter in the US.  which according to modeling, is subject to change, so keep that in mind as well.

  15. 20 hours ago, LasraelLarson said:

    though i suspect a nice super cut is on its way soon, highlighting this.

    CNN of all places, who knew?

    and the whole thing around New Yorks Chinese Lunar New Year (of the rat) celebration in February is another doozy of city officials condemning racism and encouraging participation, even attending the pubic festival...


  16. On 3/26/2020 at 8:28 PM, LasraelLarson said:

    China to the rescue!!!

    Coronavirus tests Spain purchased from China fail to detect positive cases

    30% sensitivity tests unreliable.  80% is the industry standard?  seems 100% certainty when it comes to tests, no one is there yet.



    Netherlands recalls defective masks imported from China


    The recall concerned nearly half of the shipment of 1.3 million masks, known as FFP2 - 600,000 had already been sent to hospitals, the public television channel NOS reported.

    nothing suspect about any of this...  i am sure they are sincere with efforts to assist. 🤧 🤢 🤮

  17. just a regular flu season bro...

    nothing unusual about that interview at all...  and no media jumping up and down over the WHO's early stances on person to person transmission, or social gathering, or travel...  though i suspect a nice super cut is on its way soon, highlighting this.

    also, again pointing to:



    the Bloomberg article updated too 21 million as well.

  18. 27 minutes ago, Doro said:


    sure thing Doro...  while you hand-wave nonsense....  i'll provide some additional interesting observations about China:

    from the vid above:  the 21 million cell phone drop is interesting, as is the Wuhan Lab job application looking to study the molecular mechanism for Ebola and SARS to co-exist in bats.

  19. 4 minutes ago, Doro said:

    It's not 578 of 11,658, it's 578 of 713 (deaths + recovered), because those are the "completed" results so far. Anyone currently infected is still technically waiting for the coin flip to land, one way or the other.

    and then there is the question of reinfection...  what percentage of the recovered are actually immune?

    additionally what if the virus does cause secondary health risks, or permanent damage and someone who recovers the first time, isn't so lucky when reinfected?

    regardless testing is not at 100% saturation in every country and tests do not produce 100% accurate results, so for now we have reports and we are still basically watching surge points.

    so comparisons have limitations.

  20. 2 hours ago, Doro said:

    Country     Cases     Deaths     Recovered     Fatality Rate

    UK             11,658      578          135                 81.1%

    math on fatality rate seems off...

    578 of 11,658 is not 81.1%, (rather 4.9579687768% or almost 5% of UK infected are dying...) so they are using a more sensational calculation.

    additionally US is currently at 1.4449278134%, or 1.5% of infected die.

    On 3/12/2020 at 12:17 AM, LasraelLarson said:

    the Island of UK is about to experience "yesterdays Italy" levels in about 20 days, or less.

    on March 11 Italy was reporting 12,462 cases & 827 deaths.  20 days is April first.  looks like the less than 20 days is gonna be about right.

    the first week of April will be a pretty interesting dynamic to watch.  big bills like rent coming due, etc.

    it is one thing to evict a small number of people, what happens across the globe defaulting happens en masse?  will there be another dynamic shift in news cycles?

  21. On 3/25/2020 at 7:29 AM, LasraelLarson said:

    atypical behavior from traditional corona-viruses to something more like a retro-virus, or hybrid behavior

    highlighting something i found rather interesting recently.

    Amy Klobuchars husband contracted China Syndrome very recently and she has been doing interviews making a claim that he was coughing up blood.  now is this for dramatic effect, or is she telling the truth?  i'd lean that this would not be something you'd lie about:

    and true to form, she says almost identical talking points in the retelling of this story that starts around the 3:15 mark here:

    i point to this because what i have seen in cases that take off, is all sorts of weirdness that shows rather atypical behavior.  vomiting blood doesn't really seem typical for cold and flu virus's.  neither does fitful body tremors:

    and with the recent Hantavirus popping up, doesn't help with clarity having another "animal" potentially confusing the data.

    the genetic mapping data from this virus really needs to be examined and exposed.  why are there so many instances of people feeling fine, or having minor symptoms, that all of a sudden turn dramatic?  what is this virus doing to RNA (potentially DNA) at the molecular level?

    seems important if testing data is to be truly reliable and not potentially misleading.

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