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1st post & need to laugh/let off steam RE: Infinite Crisis

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Also given the success of Dota 2 how are Turbine going to complete for the players. If you are very very good at Dota 2 you can make a good living http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-23664107. Cant see Trubine playing prize money like this.

I was actually watching some of that Grand Final in the DOTA2 tournament. Was a swedish team in there. They won, and won $1.4 million in the process. The 2nd placed team won $600k.

They would have to have Infinite Crisis tournaments, that Warner helped finance for it to be a success.

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Also given the success of Dota 2 how are Turbine going to complete for the players. If you are very very good at Dota 2 you can make a good living http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-23664107. Cant see Trubine playing prize money like this.

well Warner could definitely partner with Razor, Nvidia, or other gaming centric hardware companies & come up with bank for that sort of thing, but those sort of things are built up over the years. Dota2 had a 2 year long Beta. Smite is still in Beta. Riot (League of Legends) has been at this for years.

Infinite Crisis is set to launch before the end of this year. no doubt a quarterly fiscal pressure. if they are in it for the long haul, it certainly lacks that appearance.

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Wait. If IC is going to be out by the end of 2013, when is LOTRO HD coming out? I thought it was slated for Fall 2013, but we've heard nothing since about when beta might begin, and I just don't see Turbine doing two major releases in the same quarter. Hell, Blizzard usually slates only one major release per year, so I can't see Turbine doing better than that.

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Wait. If IC is going to be out by the end of 2013, when is LOTRO HD coming out? I thought it was slated for Fall 2013, but we've heard nothing since about when beta might begin, and I just don't see Turbine doing two major releases in the same quarter. Hell, Blizzard usually slates only one major release per year, so I can't see Turbine doing better than that.

Turbine as a game development studio is becoming more of a contrivance; internally the lines are far more blurry & continue to blur as time passes.

unless there is some argument for preserving the Turbine Trademark, the need for the identity is all front facing. Infinite Crisis has many people from Warners umbrella working on it, (not just Turbine.) internally that identity is becoming largely irrelevant.

Helms Deep is going to be, without question, the smallest expansion to date. don't expect much of a beta on it either. the itty bitty team is on a ticking clock & when it comes down to 'time is up' we'll get HD... whatever state it is in.

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Turbine as a game development studio is becoming more of a contrivance; internally the lines are far more blurry & continue to blur as time passes.

unless there is some argument for preserving the Turbine Trademark, the need for the identity is all front facing. Infinite Crisis has many people from Warners umbrella working on it, (not just Turbine.) internally that identity is becoming largely irrelevant.

Helms Deep is going to be, without question, the smallest expansion to date. don't expect much of a beta on it either. the itty bitty team is on a ticking clock & when it comes down to 'time is up' we'll get HD... whatever state it is in.

Yeah, I suppose you are right. It's a sad state of affairs, though, considering the promise LOTRO once had.

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Helms Deep is going to be, without question, the smallest expansion to date. don't expect much of a beta on it either. the itty bitty team is on a ticking clock & when it comes down to 'time is up' we'll get HD... whatever state it is in.

Which then raises the question of the pricing.

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Which then raises the question of the pricing.

There is no question of pricing. Did you see the Official thread where so many players are drooling for HD and saying how cool it sounds. This is classic Turbine manipulation ("HD is the instanced content") of players. Make it sound good, hype it up. They are intentionally doing something new so they can sell pre-orders and hide the fact the expansion will be missing dungeons and raids, and will have little new PVE content as usual.

Pricing will be as much as they can make it. $40, $60, or $80. Or I could possibly imagine $30 as the bare price - if they have any shame at all - but I have never see Turbine have any shame when it comes to fleecing players. Plus this is HD - the perfect part of LOTR to use to get players excited and to get them to give Turbine their money. Anyone experienced in MMOs, or who knows what else is out there, or who has a budget - will not pre-order. But that still leaves most Lotro players. People who care about quality, who compare MMOs, and who are on a budget - will not be playing Lotro other than to try it out in the lower zones. It is too expensive now (with all the expansions) for a game that has so many flaws (despite the nice landscapes and zones).

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There is no question of pricing. Did you see the Official thread where so many players are drooling for HD and saying how cool it sounds. This is classic Turbine manipulation ("HD is the instanced content") of players. Make it sound good, hype it up. They are intentionally doing something new so they can sell pre-orders and hide the fact the expansion will be missing dungeons and raids, and will have little new PVE content as usual.

Pricing will be as much as they can make it. $40, $60, or $80. Or I could possibly imagine $30 as the bare price - if they have any shame at all - but I have never see Turbine have any shame when it comes to fleecing players. Plus this is HD - the perfect part of LOTR to use to get players excited and to get them to give Turbine their money. Anyone experienced in MMOs, or who knows what else is out there, or who has a budget - will not pre-order. But that still leaves most Lotro players. People who care about quality, who compare MMOs, and who are on a budget - will not be playing Lotro other than to try it out in the lower zones. It is too expensive now (with all the expansions) for a game that has so many flaws (despite the nice landscapes and zones).

What HD amounts to is new quests, new deeds and some Lothlorien Defender instances (which is all Big Battles sound like). The level cap, the Epic, the class revamp and the landscape is all free anyway. It's the same shit they've pulled for RoR but this time there will be no raids at all. Not even delayed ones a few months later (which Sap has said, since they want to focus on Big Battles for this 'updation'). They're charging VIPs for content updates but describing it as an expansion. Throwing some petals on a shit doesn't make it a rose.

How people are stupid enough to pay for another of Turbine's 'expansions', I will never understand. I bet those people also pay for psychic readings, astrology predictions, reflexology massages and homeopathic medicine.

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I bet those people also pay for psychic readings, astrology predictions, reflexology massages and homeopathic medicine.

Or they're the teabagger, "tell the government to get their hands out of my medicare and social security" whilst screaming about socialism and blindly following their own favoured politician type person. :P Given how some seem to love Sap's authority.. it could fit. :P

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Yeah, I suppose you are right. It's a sad state of affairs, though, considering the promise LOTRO once had.

It's not all bad, the way I see it now is Lotro's really beyond saving, anything now just further taints what went before. The sooner it hits the wall, the sooner someone else will pick it up, and hopefully do a better job of it. It's only a matter of time. On the main forum, even some of the diehard fanboys have finally admitted they only log in now to talk to friends.

It is sad though as you say, to go from the days of stopping up all night running CD/URU/BG/Rift to not giving a toss about logging in. It's gone from pageant queen to crack whore.

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There is no question of pricing. Did you see the Official thread where so many players are drooling for HD and saying how cool it sounds. This is classic Turbine manipulation ("HD is the instanced content") of players. Make it sound good, hype it up. They are intentionally doing something new so they can sell pre-orders and hide the fact the expansion will be missing dungeons and raids, and will have little new PVE content as usual.

Pricing will be as much as they can make it. $40, $60, or $80. Or I could possibly imagine $30 as the bare price - if they have any shame at all - but I have never see Turbine have any shame when it comes to fleecing players. Plus this is HD - the perfect part of LOTR to use to get players excited and to get them to give Turbine their money. Anyone experienced in MMOs, or who knows what else is out there, or who has a budget - will not pre-order. But that still leaves most Lotro players. People who care about quality, who compare MMOs, and who are on a budget - will not be playing Lotro other than to try it out in the lower zones. It is too expensive now (with all the expansions) for a game that has so many flaws (despite the nice landscapes and zones).

So true, Turbine's pricing no longer reflects what the product contains. Plus there are many who say 'I don't care / I'm here for the long haul / I'll be here till Mordor whatever happens' and are happy to let Turbine know it. These are the people that Turbine can rely on to stump up whether it is value for money or not, the true gimps who allow Turbine to shovel out offal and charge for steak. Turbine know that those who aren't in the gimp camp, but still play, will buy it in the sale later on, so why not start the price high.

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not only a booth, but 4 sponsored teams to compete in a live tournament at Gamescom 2013.

oh and bank!

On Thursday four teams, Absolute Legends, n!faculty, myRevenge and TCM-Gaming, will compete in a four team tournament to determine, who will be the first ever Infinite Crisis Champion and walk away with cash prizes worth upto €15,000 EUROs.

not quite the Dota 2 prize pot... (least Dota 2 has the sense to host their own in a much cheaper venue in Seattle.)

so now they are also working with ESL in addition to MLG.

yep, bank.

it's kinda funny, go visit complexity games forums (the last team to be sponsored for E3) and not even a peep about IC, but plenty of chatter about LoL & Dota 2. heh.

man are they ever spending money fast. spooky. i can't see them recouping it. even if they launch with 500,000 players (my guess that would be max given the current buzz around the game) that doesn't mean 500,000 people spending cash. & if the game grabs at the cash too hard out the gate & doesn't perform superbly... watch some player streams to see all the episodes of lag spikes... that number will drop fast.

*shakes head*

yeah, time for more popcorn. ;)

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I'm not interested in MOBAs, but I've been following this thread anyway. I appreciate the updates, Lasrael.

At this point, in my head I'm renaming the game Infinite Crisis: Schadenfreude.

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I'm not interested in MOBAs, but I've been following this thread anyway. I appreciate the updates, Lasrael.

At this point, in my head I'm renaming the game Infinite Crisis: Schadenfreude.

In my head it's joining LotRO as: 'yet another IP that I love being fucked by Turbine/Warner Brothers'.

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I'm not interested in MOBAs, but I've been following this thread anyway. I appreciate the updates, Lasrael.

At this point, in my head I'm renaming the game Infinite Crisis: Schadenfreude.

nor am i.

however, that said, Koreans can make anything exciting!

another perspective of that big money, Dota 2 game... ;)

anyway, i shall continue to follow the money trail on spending, as i think it matters.

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In my head IC is the game that Turbine named perfectly.

It will never work - just be one bug and crisis after another ad infinitum.

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well for tournaments Infinite Crisis can't hold a candle to Dota 2 (or LoL):

time to borrow some more ideas someone else came up with, eh Warner?

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So... a good friend of mine wanted to leave our (billiards) league early tonight because he got into the Infinite Crisis beta. I did provide the obligatory, "Dude, you seriously don't want to play a Turbine game, let alone an F2P Turbine game," but I couldn't dissuade him from being excited about IC.

On the upside, the best thing he could say about why he wanted to play IC is that it's F2P, so I doubt that he'll be taken in by anything, but still... it was odd to be confronted - albeit briefly - by someone who was actually excited to play a Turbine game.

;)

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nor am i.

however, that said, Koreans can make anything exciting!

another perspective of that big money, Dota 2 game... ;)

anyway, i shall continue to follow the money trail on spending, as i think it matters.

THE BEAR!!

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL!

Crying laughing so hard at the commentators!

Don't lend him money for a while =P

lol

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So... a good friend of mine wanted to leave our (billiards) league early tonight because he got into the Infinite Crisis beta. I did provide the obligatory, "Dude, you seriously don't want to play a Turbine game, let alone an F2P Turbine game," but I couldn't dissuade him from being excited about IC.

On the upside, the best thing he could say about why he wanted to play IC is that it's F2P, so I doubt that he'll be taken in by anything, but still... it was odd to be confronted - albeit briefly - by someone who was actually excited to play a Turbine game.

;)

well whether his interest is:

1.) MOBA / RTS

2.) DC Superheros

3.) FTP games.

worst case scenario, there are other (i'd say better) options in all categories. ;)

at least he got accepted via a beta key & didn't sink money for founders access.

i'm also watching to see how many beta-keys they are giving away, how frequent, & how large. so far it has been pretty small, which could also be precautionary, until (& if) they get that input lag under control... or as i suspect, they are trying hard to nickle & dime even before the game officially launches.

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just finished watching one of the twitch streams of Gamescom tournament...

viewership is small, less than 1,500 people watching (not good). alot are just there waiting for League of Legends coverage.

and the chat is hilarious... ALL TROLLS :D

talking about LoL, Dota2, Starcraft... & openly dissing Infinite Crisis. the mods look to be from European esports league, rather than actual Turbine employees. i can't imagine Turbine being able to hold off banning outright... but this is a VERY different crowd. ;)

edited:

loser elimination bracket is about to start as of this post.

http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_ic

don't worry about puffing their viewership #'s... for this genre, 1500 is insignificant.

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