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Nice post, Quinn.

 

One quibble: the Tea Party started in late 2007, while the younger Bush was still in office, nearly a full year before Obama was elected.  They're against excessive government spending in general, regardless of the political affiliation of the person in the top office.

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Just for the record I was not going out of my way to "bash" the USA, rather it was a clumsy attempt on my part to parody Wosret's musings about the state of his home nation.  I'm sure not everyone in the USA is a fully paid up member of the tea party who walks around with "open carry" bemoaning about how "welfare" has crippled their nation just as not everyone from Britain is a tea-drinking-land-owning-aristocratic socialistcommie who talks like a BBC radio presenter form the 1930s and who personally knows the Queen :)

 

That'll teach me for trying to be clever!

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Are you saying there is something wrong with our best and brightest entering their local eatery with assault rifles in hand?

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Are you saying there is something wrong with our best and brightest entering their local eatery with assault rifles in hand?

 

 

Hay when i go to the prancing pony in game i carry a club a dagger and a cross bow.  no one ever gives me a second look.....

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Sapience: gone

Frelorn: uhm, ehm... where is he?!

 

I'm not the only one wondering: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?555356-No-Replies-to-PM-s&p=7229874#post7229874

 

Best part (imho):

 


Maybe I got banned for this open letter to you if the censorship was a rule of your company but I hope for you as an employee this is only done by a single person.

 

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This linked post is good to read.

 

 

I think Lotro is part time for most staff and for the company in General. No one is there who is saying "Let's make sure we respond to customers and treat them well". Certainly management over Lotro does not care how customers are treated.

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It's probably that Frelorn not having the time to spend on the LOTRO forum as Sap obviously did, combined with a healthy dose of him not really worrying too much about a little criticism here and there.

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It's probably that Frelorn not having the time to spend on the LOTRO forum as Sap obviously did, combined with a healthy dose of him not really worrying too much about a little criticism here and there.

 

Yep, plus as a forum for an internationally played game, it sure is quiet. I can't see how anyone would be needed to spend all day checking it.

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Forums for a company are only really there for a few reasons.

 

 

1. To allow people somewhere to vent, which means you can also control criticism.

 

2. To make customers feel there is a community when there isn't.

 

3. To get a general idea of the wants and needs of the player base.

 

4. To entertain the suck ups and give them a chance to brown-nose.

 

 

For Turbine, 1 isn't necessary any more as those that had issues have left. 2 isn't necessary because it's a bunch of casuals and soloers who don't particularly like having other people around. 3 isn't necessary because they have that focus group already. 4 is the only reason those forums still exist, really.

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How do flaws in anything validate your claim that the US is 'at an all time low'?

Economically, they're much stronger than a number of points in its short history and is currently the richest country in the world (though 7th compared to population size).

Socially, they're the strongest they've ever been with more rights for their citizens than any decade previous, and less discrimination than ever before.

Intellectually, the majority are morons but the minority are still building bigger and better things. It's the land of tech firms that dominate the global market. And fuck it, they put a damn robot on another planet!

Professionally, I don't even know what the fuck you mean and you likely just threw it in for the sake of words. What the fuck is an 'all time low' professionally? Less people in a profession than ever? Less jobs than ever? You're throwing out blanket statements without backing it up in the slightest.

Ethically and morally are basically the same thing and are entirely subjective, meaning there is no generic 'high or low'.

I'm genuinely starting to think that you were raised as an experiment, to see if a human really could spend their entire life communicating only through their anus.

(note to everyone else: my defending of the US will NOT be a regular thing)

 

I'd like to make the observation here that Doro uses the word 'cunt' for things British and refers to 'anus' for things US. What a gay thing to do.

 

Also, this thread going off the rails like this is a Good Thing . You are dealing very well with the mourning over Sapience leaving Turbine. It's okay to still shed a tear every now and then, don't feel embarassed.

 

Finally, Europe and racial tolerance? BWAHAHAHA!!! We preach it like crazy, but when it comes to practicing it's fucking hard to silence the ape in our minds yelling 'stranger! danger! stranger! danger!'. And lo and behold the surprise when you get to know them they're .... just like us.

 

That ape in our minds. Oh how the politicians use that poor sap. Which brings me back on topic, Sapience, would he also miss us?

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It's probably that Frelorn not having the time to spend on the LOTRO forum as Sap obviously did, combined with a healthy dose of him not really worrying too much about a little criticism here and there.

 

Yes, when he specifically tells a forum user to PM him (publicly in a thread), and the user PMs hims several times, and he never replies - there is nothing wrong with that (not).

 

It's lame. Crappy customer service. Don't tell a customer to PM you, publicly in a way that looks like you will respond, and then never answer the PMs.

 

Here is what Frelorn PUBLICLY said to that player (directly in response to him):

"As a side note, if you have a question about any moderation decisions, please PM me. Thanks "

 

Here is what Frelorn did PRIVATELY to that player:

Ignore him and never answer his PMs.

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And lo and behold the surprise when you get to know them they're .... just like us.

 

Apart from all the weird shit, like aversion to bacon, worship of cows, unpronounceable names and funny clothing :P

 

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Apart from all the weird shit, like aversion to bacon, worship of cows, unpronounceable names and funny clothing :P

 

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I don't think that someone from a country where Leicester and Dorcester are somehow pronounced "Lester" and "Dorster" has any room to talk. :)

 

(And let's not even get into Wales and their crazy words...)

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Yes, when he specifically tells a forum user to PM him (publicly in a thread), and the user PMs hims several times, and he never replies - there is nothing wrong with that (not).

 

It's lame. Crappy customer service. Don't tell a customer to PM you, publicly in a way that looks like you will respond, and then never answer the PMs.

 

Here is what Frelorn PUBLICLY said to that player (directly in response to him):

"As a side note, if you have a question about any moderation decisions, please PM me. Thanks "

 

Here is what Frelorn did PRIVATELY to that player:

Ignore him and never answer his PMs.

Not really. He said publicly to Aeilrond, "As a side note, if you have a question about any moderation decisions, please PM me. Thanks "

 

The OP of the post referenced above, who supposedly sent Frelorn a PM was Anshere. 

 

And considering that he kept referencing threads that had plenty of polite criticisms of Turbine and Sapience, I would say that, as always, claims that Turbine deletes ALL criticism of themselves is bullshit. Say it politely, say it without cursing, and it will most likely stay

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Not really. He said publicly to Aeilrond, "As a side note, if you have a question about any moderation decisions, please PM me. Thanks "

 

The OP of the post referenced above, who supposedly sent Frelorn a PM was Anshere. 

 

And considering that he kept referencing threads that had plenty of polite criticisms of Turbine and Sapience, I would say that, as always, claims that Turbine deletes ALL criticism of themselves is bullshit. Say it politely, say it without cursing, and it will most likely stay

 

You left out where Frelorn posted that he didn't get the PM, possibly due to some problems encountered from reactivating his account, and to send a new one. And yes, with some people here you have to watch the details, they have a tendancy to get twisted just a bit to fit the narrative. 

 

 

 

Hmm, maybe the OP actually got an answer and didn't like it. Or maybe Frelorn printed it out, lit it on fire and danced around it naked in a pagan ritual. Or maybe just maybe the PM didn't go through.

 

Speculation~ It's all fun and games until you start believing it's fact.

 

 

EDIT: Wait a minute, the guy is bitching about things Sapience did, and wants Frelorn to answer for them, or correct them, or whatever. FFS, some peoples kids....

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You're missing the point.

It's not calling someone who is gay "gay" that is the problem.

It's when Straight people use it to insult other straight people. and that's what Gay people find offensive(well, I wouldn't claim they all do, but I know a fair few that do(yes, I have friends who are homosexual))

^^^^THIS I'm not gay, but I would assume homosexuals don't mind being called gay since it is the "PC" word for people with that sexual orientation.

 

Ghey is not some "gaming culture" word, it's used to get around chat filters, I'm surprised no one's brought that up yet.

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Bet Sappy is laughing his butt off at his topic going off so much, come on guys we have a goal in life lets unite and go to the Prancing Pony for a pint ;-)

PJ

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Bet Sappy is laughing his butt off at his topic going off so much, come on guys we have a goal in life lets unite and go to the Prancing Pony for a pint ;-)

PJ

 

Around here threads tend to meander and end up in surprising places, then come back around to the original point.

 

It's a lot different from Sap's "move, close, and/or delete" method of forum management.  

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You left out where Frelorn posted that he didn't get the PM, possibly due to some problems encountered from reactivating his account, and to send a new one.

 

The player said, in case Frelorn truly lost some PMs, he sent them again.

 

Frelorn posted "PM me". Player PM'ed several times. Frelorn never replied. There is no evidence to dispute this - even though it sounds better to say Frelorn had trouble with his account and did not get the PMs.

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The player said, in case Frelorn truly lost some PMs, he sent them again.

 

Frelorn posted "PM me". Player PM'ed several times. Frelorn never replied. There is no evidence to dispute this - even though it sounds better to say Frelorn had trouble with his account and did not get the PMs.

 

Let me get this straight, you read the thread and quoted Frelorn about sending him a pm if there were moderation questions, which you attributed Frelorn's answer to an entirely different poster than the OP (the guy getting no answers), but didn't read down to the part where Frelorn directly quoted the OP and said:

 

 

 

If you actually read and understand what was said there have been 3 PM's 2 to Frelorn and 1 to Rowan. And one of his PM's to Frelorn was answered, per above, that it was not received, so 2 PM's to Frelorn, 1 of which received a reply to resend, as per above is considered several PM's with no answer?

 

 

So you're right, saying Frelorn had an issue with his account and asked the guy to resend the PM does sound better. Know why, because it's what happened according to the "evidence", as opposed to some biased twisting to always make shit sound worse than it is.

 

Should Frelorn have answered, since it's been over a month, yea he should. There are several plausible reasons some nefarious some not. It's always more exciting to look for the conspiracy. 

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(I didn't realize we were responsible for herpes, though.  We really are bastards.)

Well, it was native Americans, but Euros gave us syphillis. We also gave Europe chocolate, coffee, and tobacco, so not a bad trade. ;)

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You left out where Frelorn posted that he didn't get the PM, possibly due to some problems encountered from reactivating his account, and to send a new one. 

 

Player noted Frelorn's comment that he did not get the PM. 

Then player sent another PM to Frelorn. No reply.

That is all.

 

In my post, I noted that Frelorn

1) said for players to PM him, and

2) never replied to those PM's.

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First you got Richard Heaton who was a strict moderator who closed as many threads as possible and bans players.  Then you get Frelorn who is almost a nonexistent moderator who allows most threads to take their course.  You gotta decide what extreme you want in your CM!   lol

 

I'm still not sure why someone has not put this piece of trash thread out of it's misery:

https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?555186-In-through-the-outdoor-and-WB-Games-Turbine

 

The OP is very careful to state his opinions and try not to offend the folks you know will be showing up sooner or later.

As soon as they  show up they praise the OP for his politeness, followed by ripping his post apart sentence by sentence. 

Then the solo vs raider argument enters around page 4 or 5.  Gee who would have thought that was going to happen?  Then around pages 8 and 9 it's literally 1 person ripping into everyones post being careful to comment on all of them sentence by sentence, solely to create a flame war.  Towards the end the bully plays the victim.  

 

Seriously threads like this should be monitored and closed or at minimum have the violator banned.  In this case the violator is the guy coming into the thread and ignoring facts while making his own facts up.  They don't even need forum moderators anymore, they have plenty of folks there to squash any opinion that even remotely criticizes Turbine openly.  If I were Frelorn I'd just eat popcorn and watch the idiots ramble.

 

And BTW chicken play is not endgame content or new for that matter.    The excuses for poor made and lack of content get lamer everyday.

 

The dude who said he can log in, jump spin around and craft AFK (comparing it to the chicken play reference as something to do in game) was awesome.   As long as there are people looking for a proper mmo on the o boards the forum policemen will be there. 

 

And just like Richard Frelorn will let them do so unimpeded. 

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I don't think Frelorn moderates at all. 

 

No complaints here after living under the iron fist of Shitpiss since 2007

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