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I think it is all about degrees. And you can't completely say there is no reason to be considerate to other people's feelings. If someone Jewish who was in a German concentration camp, asked me not to use certain words which were related to the holocaust, I would say, ok.

Of course I would agree. If they were there, I wouldn't use those words because they actually lived it. But if some 20 year old Jew were to ask me not to use certain words, well then he could go do one as far as I was concerned. He does not get to use the suffering of others to his advantage.

 

If someone black asked me not to use certain words, I would also say Ok - especially if the words were used as racial slurs and related to slavery. Just like some words are used against women int he US.

If they were a slave, I'd agree. But they aren't. They don't even take the word 'seriously' themselves, any more. So they do not have a say over what words I use.

 

I wouldn't say this: in the US we don't use that word against Jews, so even though you were in a concentration camp, you should just forget about it and not ask me to not use a word. I don't think it is different - c*nt is a very strong, negative swear in the US.

And if a woman who has been beaten while someone called her that, then fine I wouldn't use it for them. But I'd take a guess they'd laugh at the idea of no longer using the word 'dick' because a man was beaten while being called it. It's a skewed stance that makes it a problem.

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Regarding our reputation, my only real concern is that I'd prefer that we not get too nasty towards newcomers and people who still enjoy LOTRO, because we should want fresh faces and new perspectives

Ugh, this is getting stupid.   1. I think some of you are choosing to assume the worst about all of Bucko's posts because some of them come off the wrong way. I didn't see any difference in his c-wo

What I've always liked about this forum is that it has always felt natural. It was a place where conservations could take place. Conversations start on a particular subject and finish on an often comp

I think it is all about degrees. And you can't completely say there is no reason to be considerate to other people's feelings. If someone Jewish who was in a German concentration camp, asked me not to use certain words which were related to the holocaust, I would say, ok.

 

If someone black asked me not to use certain words, I would also say Ok - especially if the words were used as racial slurs and related to slavery. Just like some words are used against women int he US. 

 

I wouldn't say this: in the US we don't use that word against Jews, so even though you were in a concentration camp, you should just forget about it and not ask me to not use a word. I don't think it is different - c*nt is a very strong, negative swear in the US.

 

and that summarises the issue that we've been discussing - cultural differences. So whereas in the UK the "c" word has made it onto the BBC, the use of the "n" word is almost never heard of, whereas in the USA the "n" word is used almost casually in mainstream films.

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The Monty Python video posted earlier seems apt. The point is that some people have said they find the word offensive and would rather you didn't use it, I don't wish to offend people I have come to respect on these forums so I will not use it. I guess it is up to you if you continue to or not, I'm sure no one will really complain or report you if you do.

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Stephen Fry, one of my personal heroes, once said something quite relevant here:

 

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what?"

 

(I should point out, I am not saying people who are offended are whining. I'm simply saying offence doesn't sway anything for me)

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The Monty Python video posted earlier seems apt. The point is that some people have said they find the word offensive and would rather you didn't use it, I don't wish to offend people I have come to respect on these forums so I will not use it. I guess it is up to you if you continue to or not, I'm sure no one will really complain or report you if you do.

 

Indeed, and as someone (Nosam9?) pointed out earlier, the 'c' word is almost hardly used on this form. It's apparent to me that what we're discussing / arguing about is the principle around the use of the word rather than our absolute right to throw it into casual conversation - Micky Flannigan has a very funny line in his routine where he has a benchmark for relationships when the use of "casual c***ing" begins to creep into conversation.

 

Apologies for the link as it has the word included but through comedy he makes some excellent points.

 

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You need to add the full link between those two square bracket bits.

Thanks i got it.. i did not put a space in the lines lol, I came here to post it in your defence.. i dislike the way you mock some people and your choice of avatars sometimes :D but overall i like what you post, I think it was wrong what D did to you, this is no place for a sap wanna be, sorry for my bad english but it is the best i can do :)

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Wait .. wait... wait... what the fuck did i just read here........... several pages.... 

 

So "cunt", "twat", and "pussy" are now taboo because they're "sexually offensive"?

 

There's a cable behind your computer, in some cases a little antenna or a USB dongle.. it connects to the internet, REMOVE IT NOW AND HAVE SOMEONE SEND YOU A PLASTIC BUBBLE!! 

 

I've looked for it recently without success, where's the "delete account" button?   Or if someone can oblige.   If y'all are so goddamn holy, get your asses to Palestine and open an orphanage.

 

In the meantime, here's a list of why no other words should be used.

 

Asshole/shit:  Offensive to people who've ever had an embarrassing bowel movement at the wrong moment and/or suffer from IBS.

 

Fuck: Offensive to prostitutes and members of the pornography industry.

 

Damn:  Well, that's just blasphemy!

 

Darn:  Offensive to tailors.

 

Bullshit:  Offensive to cattle owners in general.

 

Idiot/moron:  Mentally challenged people get called those all the time.  As bad as saying "retard".

 

Asshat:  Offensive to acrobats who carry others.

 

Bastard:   Offensive to anyone with a deadbeat dad.

 

Deadbeat:  Offensive to Michael Jackson and other dead musicians, thus, their fans.

 

Dictator:  Offensive to people who have sexual intercourse with potatoes.

 

Intercourse:  Offensive to people who dictate classes at an international level.

 

American:  Offensive to the whole fuckin' continent outside the US.  (Oh yes, I can play the racism card too)

 

Joker:  Offensive to comedians, implies that all comedians are....... aw man what word do I use now?

 

Crap:  Offensive to croupiers.

 

Ad hominem:  Offensive to Romans.

 

*edit: forgot one*

 

Inmature/:  Offensive to mothers who've had premature babies, and people who were born prematurely themselves.

 

Premature:  Offensive to people with erectile disfunction.

 

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You've been here how long and don't know I'm in the US? Some people in the US use the word cunt the same way they do in the UK. It's only a fucking word, it's the context that matters.

Actually as an old school feminist I find using an old english word for female genitalia just to insult men quite offensive. Especially as most men quite like 'cunts' when they have the oportunity to access one! So I'd rather you stopped using my genitals to insult people...

Men can be  pricks, dicks fuckwits and arseholes-but never cunts. Just saying. ;)

 

edit: on a serious note-there is a strong correlation between using derogatory terms about women, and women's sexual habits and pervasive cultural misogyny. Just as there is a strong correlation between using racial slurs routinely and cultural racism.

 

Some people (mostly men) may think it the c word is now acceptable slang in the UK but i feel it is about as valid as saying calling australian aboriginals 'boongs' is socially acceptable, because it is common in far north queensland.

 

edit 2 BUT i never advocate censorship. It is simply a personal view point. For the reasons Tui pointed put, I'd prefer not to read it used as a casual insult and would hope that would carry some weight with people here.

 

I do find being called Mrs DJ much more insulting-but idiots will be idiots. That's the reason for an ignore button-which I have just found.

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Actually as an old school feminist I find using an old english word for female genitalia just to insult men quite offensive. Especially as most men quite like 'cunts' when they have the oportunity to access one! So I'd rather you stopped using my genitals to insult people...

Men can be  pricks, dicks fuckwits and arseholes-but never cunts. Just saying. ;)

HI Mrs dj, welcome

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Who is this guy and why can't I find the ignore button anymore?

When one keeps having to add people to the ignore list.. it just becomes not worth it anymore.

Funny thing is, people keep going on and on about some of us being offended.. I never said I was. I said it made me uncomfortable due to the feelings it conjured up.. you know, how Tui explained trigger words and all that. I never asked for any rules to be made, nor did Tui or anyone else. I just made my feelings known and hoped that this group of acquaintances would be cool enough to be kind to each other. But no, that's too much for some. They have to pull the "help! help! I'm being repressed!" routine, claim national bias, blow things out of proportion, start making accusations that even more censoring is being demanded and generally appear to purposefully misunderstand people and what they said.

It's... disappointing. And not worth it.

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When one keeps having to add people to the ignore list.. it just becomes not worth it anymore.

Funny thing is, people keep going on and on about some of us being offended.. I never said I was. I said it made me uncomfortable due to the feelings it conjured up.. you know, how Tui explained trigger words and all that. I never asked for any rules to be made, nor did Tui or anyone else. I just made my feelings known and hoped that this group of acquaintances would be cool enough to be kind to each other. But no, that's too much for some. They have to pull the "help! help! I'm being repressed!" routine, claim national bias, blow things out of proportion, start making accusations that even more censoring is being demanded and generally appear to purposefully misunderstand people and what they said.

It's... disappointing. And not worth it.

 

If you look back through this thread it's not your request that was the trigger, rather for me it was buko's approach. It's a pitty because I've tried to highlight some obvious cultural differences between those from the US and the UK over the use of the C word but I don't see anyone engaging in that discussion....

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... trigger words...

 

I am not a religious man... but dear (almost wrote 'dead', quite apt for some :P) God, help us prevent the plague that is overcoming the Reddit/Tumblr community from spreading to here!

 

I don't know if anyone has ever been to those cesspools, but they use 'trigger word' to describe anything that may offend them. Words such as 'fat', 'thin', 'she', 'he', 'male', 'female', 'straight', 'gay', 'multiple personality disorder' and even 'human', are all considered trigger words for some. Special snowflakes who think they're celestial pyro-foxes with 'fluid-genders' and multiple minds in one body that 'front' as different people.

 

It's simultaneously sickening, enraging and hilarious reading what they write. You have been warned :P

 

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Trigger_warning

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@Muer   Thank you!!

 

@doro:

I can't see this forum becoming like reddit - although it seems some new people have descended on this thread today. I think we have discussed this topic to death. Lots of positions stated.

 

@bango

... I've tried to highlight some obvious cultural differences between those from the US and the UK over the use of the C word but I don't see anyone engaging in that discussion....

Probably most people reading this thread can see the issue of cultural differences in use of language and swears. I noted it in most of my posts also. I am guessing both UK and US people can learn a lot about language differences in the other country.

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Reminds me when they changed the goblin combat noises in LOTRO to be more 'screamy'. Someone on the OFs posted that it could trigger 'flashbacks' for vets who had served in 'nam or the middle east!  

 

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