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Lasrael and I think a few others in this thread are arguing that women speaking about sexism are just extremists. Again, dismissing what women say is their experience (daily treatment and bias against them as women). I am sure in other threads I could find similar comments.

 

your comprehension is abysmal. 

 

that, or you're a dishonest cunt.

 

pointing to something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCidpHYLmtE

 

does NOT equal dismissing ALL women's experiences.

 

i have seen many extremists dismiss women who have been beaten and rapped, and when all shadow of doubt was removed for these extremists, that this did in fact happen,  those very same so called Feminists (extremists is a better term) accused the very victim of being incapable of articulating the actual experience because of the trauma.

 

yeah, some ass-wipe is going to tell a women who was beaten to a pulp & raped, that she can't possibly speak for herself...  so some academic blowhard will frame the position in a more intellectual way for (on behalf of) her?

 

fuck that!

 

not giving sensationalist assholes the time of day, doesn't equal dismissing all women.

 

get it?

 

I wouldn't usually bother spreading the stupid shit of...

 

one (there are others) of my biggest problems with Anita Sarkeesian, is i simply can't tell what originated in her own head...

 

& what originated in his: Jonathan McIntosh

 

as he writes much of what she says.

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another white male, dismissing women [cough]everywhere[/cough]...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s0f1ptC788

and with all those sister-traitor enablers in the audience, to boot.

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7:00AM GMT 26 Oct 2014

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11186150/DIY-is-in-decline-because-todays-men-are-too-soft.html

 

DIY is in decline because today's men are too soft As traditional roles have changed, today's men are more like their mothers than their fathers. No wonder DIY is dying out, says Martin Daubney

A few days ago, the owners of Homebase announced they are to close a quarter of UK stores because of the reality, they said, of "a generation less skilled in DIY projects”.

Harsh obituary writers were quick to point out that Homebase is overpriced and a bit, well, crap compared to B&Q, but the sobering truth is that the entire DIY sector has taken a hammering in recent years.

Some might argue that the demise of DIY is down to the fact that home ownership on the decline, as more of us are forced to rent, unable to get on the property ladder. (Thought: if Homebase had stocked "property ladders" maybe their fortunes would have improved?)

Yet, undeniably, today’s 20- and 30-somethings don’t seem to possess your traditional “dad skills”. The dismal fact that a mere five per cent of 18-24s would attempt to unblock a sink doesn’t bode well for humanity – unless you’re a plumber.

Although the UK DIY sector is still worth a healthy £7.3 billion per year, that’s its lowest annual worth since 1999, and if it continues to decline at the current rate of 13 per cent per annum, there will be no DIY sector at all by 2040. 

 

By then, Britain will have slowly drowned under the collective ocean of blocked bogs and leaky radiators.

Which is bad enough, before you begin to ask whether the decline in DIY is actually indicative of a deeper malaise in masculinity.

DIY used to make us feel manly. We’d chuck on a tool belt, press our power drill’s trigger – perhaps while even growling – and feel the testosterone course through our veins.

The trouble is, being a man – in the old-fashioned sense – is deeply unfashionable, naff almost, these days.

At some point this century, bombarded by an agonizingly right-on, feminist, PC doctrine through the liberal media, many men decided it was time to stop being men and embrace their inner sister.

Metropolitan, largely office-working men launched a mass PR campaign to win the hearts and minds of women – and their peers. They publicly decried wolf whistling and Page 3 of The Sun - while privately consuming a tidal wave of internet porn (ironically making them do-it-yourselfers in a very different sense).

Men were clamouring over themselves to be seen as anything but sexist.

But as we lost our rough edges and took on more of what had traditionally been regarded as female roles, no one really stopped to question whether equality for women came with a cost for masculinity. If everything overtly “masculine” is dismissed as sexist, what’s left of men is, arguably, sexless.

You see this behavioural androgyny everywhere, from the increasingly corporate and sterile football terraces to the Croc-wearing househusband on the school run.

In an age where we’re expected to Hoover, iron, change nappies, make a woman climax for four hours like Sting and cook like Jamie Oliver, old-fashioned pursuits like DIY have become quaint, self-indulgent and almost shameful.

The result is that many modern men are more like our mothers than our fathers, while the opposite is true for women, who are increasingly wearing the trousers.

Women decry us for not being able to wire a plug like our dads, but can – or would – they cook a cracking apple crumble like their mums?

No, they’d rather watch some bugger else do it on the Great British Bake Off, then go to M&S – just like we’d rather watch Grand Designs, then pay a Polish geezer to do our wallpapering.

Manual labour is increasingly seen as something other people do for us. While 43 per cent of 18-25s would attempt a DIY task, 41 per cent would hire around their own deficiencies – and call in the navvies.

Another depressing fact is that Lloyd’s Bank estimate that some 3.3 million bodged DIY tasks need to be put right by a paid professional, at an average cost of over three grand each time.

A French electrician I once got in told me, “I love British DIYers: 75 per cent of my work is finishing jobs you guys started.” But at least I tried in the first place.

It’s unfashionable to admit, but some men are better at being men when they have traditional roles that they understand. And working with our hands gives us a sense of worth that we can never get from filing our tax return.

There is an additional benefit in doing DIY: you get more sex. A study by sociologists at the University of Washington found that couples who follow traditional gender roles around the house – wives doing the cooking, cleaning and shopping; men doing the DIY and fettling the car – reported greater sexual frequency.

So there you have it: with DIY you’re screwed if you do it, and screwed if you don’t. 

 

 

 

 

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At some point this century, bombarded by an agonizingly right-on, feminist, PC doctrine through the liberal media, many men decided it was time to stop being men and embrace their inner sister.

I started happened long before this century, when hunting was replaced by gathering and agrarian societies, and group cooperation and home-making became the evolutionary advantage instead of killing and eating.

 

I was shopping for new undies today, and I'd like to challenge Doro to embrace his inner sister to buy and wear the below undies, the better to gain a perspective on what it's like to be a gamer geek girl, since he seems to be trying to be an expert.  Just for a few weeks, the "supergirl panties with tutu."

 

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I'm not dissing, dismissing, or trolling but "feminism" as a term is ... not sure if flawed.. incomplete... not fully defined.. these days?

 

We can't protect women too much or we're being condescending... but I've NEVER... EVER heard a feminist oppose the "women and children first" policy on passenger vessels when it comes to bailing (smart of them, besides it makes evolutionary sense).  "Equality" would be "get the children out then Darwin your way out".

 

Specifically this country, and I hear most of the region (Latinamerica)... bars and clubs, at least once a week, host Ladies' Nights, meaning ladies pay for NOTHING.. NOTHING AT ALL ... Wanna send a local very vocal feminist into a rage?  Suggest those are eliminated in the name of "equality".  (Yes, us guys say that sarcastically.  We'd rather see the pub filled with women who, incidentally, are drinking for free.  Halves our booze costs that night because, "equality" and all, we still gotta handle the bill if we're flirting with or without noble intent.)

 

I fully support equal wages amongst genders but... except in some veeeery liberal companies/places... ask for paternity leave and you're the new office queer, and it's not just the guys whispering and snickering.

 

 

Could go on for  hours... 

 

In defence of us old fashioned beer-guzzling bacon-gobbling sports-loving males.... it's really really really hard to figure out what women are asking for exactly as individuals.... as a whole (give or take) half of society... brain hurts... really hurts.  I think it's time for feminism to get its own "Vatican" (for lack of a better term) and start defining some guidelines for coexistence 'cause DAAAANG.

 

Sidenote, since rape comes up frequently in these topics: a self-respecting oldschool male "pig" considers the Viet Cong's handling of POW's as "a good warmup" for dealing with rapists, and would never hit a woman despite on occasion being 100% sure that "she does deserve it... +sigh+".

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As far as I am concerned the best way to deal with rapists, pedophiles, murders and the like, is to find an island in the middle of nowhere, put them on it. Set up an electric fence all the way round and have ships and sub on patrol, with order to fire on anyone that tries to get off or the gets too close. Do random food drops and then let be survive any why they like. One island for men and one for women. No release.

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As far as I am concerned the best way to deal with rapists, pedophiles, murders and the like, is to find an island in the middle of nowhere, put them on it. Set up an electric fence all the way round and have ships and sub on patrol, with order to fire on anyone that tries to get off or the gets too close. Do random food drops and then let be survive any why they like. One island for men and one for women. No release.

 

Then this happens......

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6SWofbYD90

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Presented without comment (does saying that count as a comment?):

 

http://www.wired.com/2014/10/the-secret-about-gamergate-is-that-it-cant-stop-progress/

 


Even more fascinating is how these insecurities have allowed some gamers to consider themselves a downtrodden minority, despite their continued dominance of every meaningful sector of the games industry, from development to publishing to criticism. That demonstrates a strange and seemingly contradictory “overdog” phenomenon: The most powerful members of a culture often perceive an increase in social equality as a form of persecution. (To wit: the significant number of white Americans who say they face more racism than black people, or the persecution complex of some conservative Christians who believe that increasing cultural acceptance of gays and reproductive rights has transformed them into an oppressed minority—despite the fact that more than 80 percent of Americans identity as Christians.)

 

Ultimately, the anti-feminist movement in games has a great deal in common with the religious right; in both instances, their fixations on “ethics” and “values” come down not to a desire for a pluralist culture with a wide array of perspectives and values, but one where anything less than the absolute dominance of their own perspectives and values is perceived as “oppression.”

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... what it's like to be a gamer geek girl, since he seems to be trying to be an expert.

 

And where did I even imply that? I have my own gamer girl to refer to in these matters. Luckily, she's not a psycho feminazi, so her opinion differs greatly from the professional victims that do cry about such nonsense.

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Presented without comment (does saying that count as a comment?):

 

http://www.wired.com/2014/10/the-secret-about-gamergate-is-that-it-cant-stop-progress/

 

Whoever wrote the part you quoted was just practising their stand-up routine. So much so that everything they wrote was in fact the very nature of feminazis. It's projection at a laughable level. And it's once again portraying anyone opposed to feminazis or concerned about the state of the games industry as the irrational side. Honestly, I don't know how they managed to write it AND chew their shoulder simultaneously.

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I was shopping for new undies today, and I'd like to challenge Doro to embrace his inner sister to buy and wear the below undies, the better to gain a perspective on what it's like to be a gamer geek girl, since he seems to be trying to be an expert.  Just for a few weeks, the "supergirl panties with tutu."

 

bad underpants can ruin ANYBODIES day.

 

& it isn't like you can try them on to make sure.  so the first purchase is always a crap shoot.

 

thank goodness for:

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no superhero line, but damn comfortable underwear.  no idea about the womens line, but they have that too.

 

as for the superhero panties...  i wonder what sex the person was that designed them?

 

anyway, meander aside, back on topic.

 

here are 2 Feminists that have a contrary view to those pushing the narrative of the anti-gamergate crowd.

 

the lovely lesbian, Camille Paglia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROjOjDMr43M

 

& based mom, Christina Hoff Sommers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkFT6YTnHRs

 

and one more thing about the noise on both extremes, versus the overwhelming neutral territory occupied by the majority...

 

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an alarming number of media outlets are still insisting this is about harassment, but are utterly dishonest about the data they are using to assert this.

 

THIS article takes the initial look & using the very data collected by Brand Watch

 

THIS article deconstructs the faulty & downright dishonest conclusions Newsweek reached based off that very data they sourced.

 

Brand Watch does not measure harassment, what it does measure is in its very namesake.  sentiment about a brand.

 

so again, when you've lost all credibility,  dishonesty does not work to get it back.

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bad underpants can ruin ANYBODIES day.

 

& it isn't like you can try them on to make sure.  so the first purchase is always a crap shoot.

Right? And then once you find some you like, by the time you realize you need more, they don't make them anymore. Because good things always have to evolve into worse things to drive revenue and profit margin. Microsoft proves that. All I want is some comfortable women's boxers, and I get this crap.  Why do I need a bow tie and two inches of lace frill on boxer shorts?

I read Sexual Personae in college and agreed about as much with Paglia then as now. It's silly to call feminism "moribund". Women have to keep pushing back like Democrats have to keep pushing back against Republicans in the U.S., and there is a lot of overlap. A neutral majority doesn't mean anything in the same way that a neutral/passive majority also doesn't vote in elections, except...this issue has a much higher who-cares factor.

 

Paglia is drop-dead genius isn't she?  She hypnotizes your eyes with her mind.  Thanks for linking the videos.

 

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So I just read up on this nonsense tonight.  I guess we know whose to blame for this travesty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkYE3Z_8Qmw

 

I've always said the gaming media is corrupt.  But I work in a field where pretty much every author receives free gift when reviewing.  The Audio/Video/Home theater market.  I know for a fact that writers of many of the magazine get to keep gear they do reviews on. 

 

The big difference is that I don't death threat people that dispute me.  Most console games are rentable, so do what I do, try it out and if you don't like it don't buy it.  Lots of these magazine, youtube, website reviews are just plain rubbish.   Should they be called out on it, yes.  Should those who publicly disagree with that be attack, nah.   But with fame comes the good and bad.  If you don't want to face the bad points better keep a low profile.   Getting to the point of death threats is way overboard.  

 

BTW Zoe Quinn no relation. 

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Right? And then once you find some you like, by the time you realize you need more, they don't make them anymore. Because good things always have to evolve into worse things to drive revenue and profit margin.

indeed.

 

tis why if my new underpants make me feel, "like a god damned sexual tyrannosaurus" [/sic]...  joke aside, if they are doing everything underpants should do...  i return ASAP and buy as much as they have left in stock.  not always possible when i was younger, starting out and all, but tis one of those things that you kind of have to do...  the price of comfort.  in the end, it is worth it.

I read Sexual Personae in college and agreed about as much with Paglia then as now.

whilst her main "button issue" talking points have remained the same over the course of her career.  the delivery, whilst frenetic, is engaging.

 

the metaphysical stuff, beyond symbolic, i have a hard time not rejecting entirely...

 

& whilst i do completely agree that acting responsibly & taking personal responsibility is just common sense...  common sense is not all that common these days. and being an idiot does not absolve the criminal act.

 

though i am not exactly sure she feels differently, but if she does, then that would be the point on which we part ways.

It's silly to call feminism "moribund".

she is only pointing to the third wave, when she says that.  & specifically the focus on "gender politics."  & how a majority are quite happy to have women join men as full participants in society.

 

but when it comes to some of the more ridiculous elements of conscription too, rather than freedom of choice:

 

Example 1

kinda starship troopers, but again, not participated in by women who chose, but rather mandatory, by quota.  and not every women is a Private Vasquez

Vasquezclose.gif

so i foresee a disaster.

 

& Example 2

again, this focus on "the patriarchy meme"  a women undergoing sexual re-assignment surgery, to become male...  would be the wrong symbol to represent diversity...  because, white male.  >.>

 

& Example 3

when checking your privilege, becomes a victim competition of who has it the worst.

 

and this is all without the pervasive attitude about men, being defective women, due to testosterone poisoning.

 Women have to keep pushing back like Democrats have to keep pushing back against Republicans in the U.S., and there is a lot of overlap. A neutral majority doesn't mean anything in the same way that a neutral/passive majority also doesn't vote in elections, except...this issue has a much higher who-cares factor.

again, friendly competition, sportsmenship (do i need a female descriptive there?  or gender neutral?) rivalries are inescapable.

 

and no doubt political motivations are an additional driving force.

 

pushback, backlash, whatever... when the game is no longer about (winning on) issues, but about taking the other team out of the game...  & this is happening on both sides...  all i see is everyone losing ground.

 

doesn't matter if it is a stick to the back of the head, or hurtling the accusation misogynist (misandrist) at the first opportunity.

 Paglia is drop-dead genius isn't she?  She hypnotizes your eyes with her mind.

frenetic and engaging.  still aware of the periphery however, so not drawn in to the degree you seem to suggest.

 

 

 

So I just read up on this nonsense tonight.  I guess we know whose to blame for this travesty...

Adam Baldwin is to blame?  can you clarify, beyond assertion?  he has certainly added to the sum total, but he is to blame, how so?

The big difference is that I don't death threat people that dispute me.

ok, so what do you know, that everyone else doesn't?

 

without a doubt the Utah School Anita Sarkeesian was to speak at, received an email that indicated at the very least, "Domestic Terrorism."

 

but in this and all the other related instances, no charges have been laid.

 

do you know who made the death threats?  because i do not.  nor have i been made aware of that info.

 

additionally, vehemently disagreeing with a position, or person...  isn't remotely the same category.

 

so you have proof of who made the threats?  if so, please offer that information for examination.

with fame comes the good and bad.  If you don't want to face the bad points better keep a low profile.   Getting to the point of death threats is way overboard.

 

Anita has carried on in the face of it all.  not missing a single opportunity to plug the narrative, or colleges books.  if anything, would Anita Sarkeesian, (or the others) actually have made it up the media chain as far as the New York Times, or MSNBC without them?

 

again, without these threats, her actual message & issue doesn't have remotely the same impact.

 

studies have pretty solidly refuted video games as a cause or corollary to violence.

 

i have yet to see a single study that affirms the narrative that video games cause misogynistic attitudes, or behavior.

 

so regardless of how horrible death threats are, they have been a convenient spring board to project her into media at the national level.

 

let me be clear.  i want the person, or persons responsible for that email (and the others as well) that contained criminal intent... to be caught and prosecuted.

 

but to say Anita should just shrink into the background, when she has capitalized on each incident fully...  i think she is handling it just fine.

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indeed.

 

tis why if my new underpants make me feel, "like a god damned sexual tyrannosaurus" [/sic]...  joke aside, if they are doing everything underpants should do...  i return ASAP and buy as much as they have left in stock.  not always possible when i was younger, starting out and all, but tis one of those things that you kind of have to do...  the price of comfort.  in the end, it is worth it.

whilst her main "button issue" talking points have remained the same over the course of her career.  the delivery, whilst frenetic, is engaging.

 

the metaphysical stuff, beyond symbolic, i have a hard time not rejecting entirely...

 

& whilst i do completely agree that acting responsibly & taking personal responsibility is just common sense...  common sense is not all that common these days. and being an idiot does not absolve the criminal act.

 

though i am not exactly sure she feels differently, but if she does, then that would be the point on which we part ways.

she is only pointing to the third wave, when she says that.  & specifically the focus on "gender politics."  & how a majority are quite happy to have women join men as full participants in society.

 

but when it comes to some of the more ridiculous elements of conscription too, rather than freedom of choice:

 

Example 1

kinda starship troopers, but again, not participated in by women who chose, but rather mandatory, by quota.  and not every women is a Private Vasquez

Vasquezclose.gif

so i foresee a disaster.

 

& Example 2

again, this focus on "the patriarchy meme"  a women undergoing sexual re-assignment surgery, to become male...  would be the wrong symbol to represent diversity...  because, white male.  >.>

 

& Example 3

when checking your privilege, becomes a victim competition of who has it the worst.

 

and this is all without the pervasive attitude about men, being defective women, due to testosterone poisoning.

again, friendly competition, sportsmenship (do i need a female descriptive there?  or gender neutral?) rivalries are inescapable.

 

and no doubt political motivations are an additional driving force.

 

pushback, backlash, whatever... when the game is no longer about (winning on) issues, but about taking the other team out of the game...  & this is happening on both sides...  all i see is everyone losing ground.

 

doesn't matter if it is a stick to the back of the head, or hurtling the accusation misogynist (misandrist) at the first opportunity.

frenetic and engaging.  still aware of the periphery however, so not drawn in to the degree you seem to suggest.

 

 

 

Adam Baldwin is to blame?  can you clarify, beyond assertion?  he has certainly added to the sum total, but he is to blame, how so?

ok, so what do you know, that everyone else doesn't?

 

without a doubt the Utah School Anita Sarkeesian was to speak at, received an email that indicated at the very least, "Domestic Terrorism."

 

but in this and all the other related instances, no charges have been laid.

 

do you know who made the death threats?  because i do not.  nor have i been made aware of that info.

 

additionally, vehemently disagreeing with a position, or person...  isn't remotely the same category.

 

so you have proof of who made the threats?  if so, please offer that information for examination.

 

Anita has carried on in the face of it all.  not missing a single opportunity to plug the narrative, or colleges books.  if anything, would Anita Sarkeesian, (or the others) actually have made it up the media chain as far as the New York Times, or MSNBC without them?

 

again, without these threats, her actual message & issue doesn't have remotely the same impact.

 

studies have pretty solidly refuted video games as a cause or corollary to violence.

 

i have yet to see a single study that affirms the narrative that video games cause misogynistic attitudes, or behavior.

 

so regardless of how horrible death threats are, they have been a convenient spring board to project her into media at the national level.

 

let me be clear.  i want the person, or persons responsible for that email (and the others as well) that contained criminal intent... to be caught and prosecuted.

 

but to say Anita should just shrink into the background, when she has capitalized on each incident fully...  i think she is handling it just fine.

 

I'm not sure what this says. Are we intended to read this?

 

(Sorry, this posting style just got to me today. I'll be better tomorrow.)

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Adam Baldwin is to blame?  can you clarify, beyond assertion?  he has certainly added to the sum total, but he is to blame, how so?

ok, so what do you know, that everyone else doesn't?

 

Your sarcasm detector is severely broken about Adam Baldwin.  Is humor no longer aloud around here?  I would think you would be familiar with me by now and notice my posts have humorous elements a minimum of 90 % of the time.   Clearly my post upset you.  Apologies. 

 

We don't know, but if it (the threats) did happen theoretically if it did that's how I feel.  If they didn't shame on the accusers.

 

And I don't think video games, movies, music or any type of media causes real violence.  

Where did I claim any proof of anything.  I said I read up on it and gave an opinion based upon what I read.  Sadly most of this knowledge came from wikipedia.   None of the claims are substantiated there either.   Just giving my opinion if it were true. 

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Your sarcasm detector is severely broken about Adam Baldwin.  Is humor no longer aloud around here?  I would think you would be familiar with me by now and notice my posts have humorous elements a minimum of 90 % of the time.   Clearly my post upset you.  Apologies. 

 

We don't know, but if it (the threats) did happen theoretically if it did that's how I feel.  If they didn't shame on the accusers.

 

And I don't think video games, movies, music or any type of media causes real violence.  

Where did I claim any proof of anything.  I said I read up on it and gave an opinion based upon what I read.  Sadly most of this knowledge came from wikipedia.   None of the claims are substantiated there either.   Just giving my opinion if it were true. 

 

yeah, i didn't get that was sarcasm regarding Baldwin.  on me, my bad.

 

i am not upset by your post.  just aware of a much MUCH larger picture in where media outlet after media outlet has repeatedly framed this as white male misogynist movement making death & rape threats, when not a single arrest has been made, no charges and zero prosecutions.

 

and with no sited studies, additionally accepted and pushed the narrative, without review or analysis, that core games, made for core gamers cause misogynist attitudes & acts AGAINST women.

 

you didn't upset me.  i was merely questioning if you had seen a story of charges laid, or prosecution started, etc.

 

just asking questions for clarity.

 

as for the threats, they do exist.  but the origin of the sender of said threat(s) is assumed, (in most media reports) but not proven.

 

i do not know who is responsible.  i do hope this is being pursued via legal entities.  but all the folk assuming they know...  it is pathetic.  that frustrates me.  not you.

 

i may fail to see every intention, without facial expressions, humor or sarcasm doesn't always register.

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kinda starship troopers, but again, not participated in by women who chose, but rather mandatory, by quota.  and not every women is a Private Vasquez

 

pushback, backlash, whatever... when the game is no longer about (winning on) issues, but about taking the other team out of the game...  & this is happening on both sides...  all i see is everyone losing ground.

 

Thanks for posting the Norway thing.  Had no idea they and Israel had mandatory military for women. Not sure how I feel about that.  I suppose it's fair, just like the men can wear long hair now.

 

Locally here in Arizona, it's a Republican-run smear campaign of half-lies every night.  Same old thing.  I'm 100% motivated now to go and just pull the Dem lever.

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Thanks for posting the Norway thing.  Had no idea they and Israel had mandatory military for women. Not sure how I feel about that.  I suppose it's fair, just like the men can wear long hair now.

 

Locally here in Arizona, it's a Republican-run smear campaign of half-lies every night.  Same old thing.  I'm 100% motivated now to go and just pull the Dem lever.

 

Men have been able to wear long hair for a long time. We Vikings have a proud heritage of being long-haired bastards.

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If Norway would take me I would give up my US passport in a heartbeat.

 

Seems like a great place to live, raise a family and grow old.

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If Norway would take me I would give up my US passport in a heartbeat.

 

Seems like a great place to live, raise a family and grow old.

 

Meh, wtf do Norwegians know about anything? Fuckall, that's what! They're just Swedes who don't know they're Swedes.

 

Actually, they do know about having a high cost of living!

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