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The nosedive started a while after the inception of the horrible quest-tracker. Yes the very same one we had been promised to not lead to a lower quality in quest writing.

At first, the directions in the quests got gradually worse, to the point of sometimes being outright incorrect. Then in the Great River zone and afterwards in Rohan, they dropped all pretense of writing quest texts. Log said "I marked the location on your map". NO, YOU DIDN'T!

 

That was actually one of the reasons I quit, along with more infamously stupid decisions of Turbine's, if course.

 

SNy

 

I started playing after free-to-play. The game minus the quest tracker sounds like it would be a much more engaging adventure. Can the feature be disabled? That might be pretty fun, assuming there still are quests that can be completed by following the quest text.

 

Are there any other MMOs out right now that don't use a quest tracker?

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Are there any other MMOs out right now that don't use a quest tracker?

I don't think so.

 

Since World of Warcraft added quest tracker śome months after release (it did release without one)  all mmoprg's that have quests have quest trackers/gps.

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I started playing after free-to-play. The game minus the quest tracker sounds like it would be a much more engaging adventure. Can the feature be disabled? That might be pretty fun, assuming there still are quests that can be completed by following the quest text.

 

It can, but as I said, starting in Great River + Rohan, there had been quests that where impossible to do with it being off, because "marking it in your map" means marking it on the quest tracker. I remember one quest in Rohan where you need to get around to 4 checkpoints. No mention of where they might be, without it you have no way to reasonably find them.

 

SNy

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On the bright side, the quest tracker in LOTRO is useless for some quests where multiple points have to be reached but the quest tracker will only point to the nearest, even if you already visited it.

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On the bright side, the quest tracker in LOTRO is useless for some quests where multiple points have to be reached but the quest tracker will only point to the nearest, even if you already visited it.

 

In my day, we didn't use the quest tracker.

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In my day, we ran around trying to find the quest objectives by ourselves!

That was before the quest writers relied on you having the tracker and started making quest descriptions that would not give an idea where to find it.

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I can't believe I'm reading this?

The worst thing in Lotro was the quest tracker?   Even when WOW had no quest tracker there was a plug in built for that purpose.

And it was one of the most downloaded plug ins eva!  Other than DPS whores downloading DPS meters.  Come on no need to hide you DPS whores know who you are.  (I only used a threat meter, seeing as I was a tank and my healing when playing one was manual)

 

The guitarist in my band asked me about the game because he saw the screenshots on my Facebook.  I'm going to tell any other person who considers breaching the subject the same thing I told him. 

 

1.    Turbine isn't putting even 1/1,000,000th of the effort into the game that was put into it even 18 months ago.   It's very easy to to become enchanted with the early game, only to become more disenchanted as each expansion is purchased and played through.   Around level 65 something is going to change.  I'll just go ahead and call it being led around by the nose.  No choice of which areas you would like to quest in.  (even Mirkwood had several choices for quest areas, you could skip some and still make cap)  DO not expect anything after that point to be even comparable to what you previously experienced.  Worse off you will level so fast that you could probably make cap in under 6 to 8 weeks, which means you will be dealing with the dead end game in only 2 months. 

 

2.     If you like grouping up with other players (the whole point of it being an MMO) you better choose the right server because if you don't you'll be looking for hours to simply do a dungeon quest or even get an item better than quest reward quality.  Even if you do choose a decent server when it does die get ready to pay turbine more money to transfer to a server that MAY be more lively. 

 

3.  IF you do get a group get ready for the worst reward system known to mankind.  That's right you have a better chance at getting a slot machine to hit 50 times in a row (and not the one they put at the casino entrance) than getting a usable item.    Some of that old content is fun to run but it suffers from the universally hated scratch ticket loot system.  I actually loved the game and this was the main thing that drove me away.  At first it's not a big deal.  A few weeks later you want to drive to Turbine and strangle the guy who came up with it and by the way he was more than likely laid off, and their way of addressing it is sweeping the problem under the rug.  Mainly because no left knows how to change it!   And get ready for Epic Battles!  Where you can fall asleep at the computer and it is the same experience as playing through one.  I wouldn't so much call it a dungeon, rather watch NPC's kill mobs. 

 

4.  If you are going to try it, do not invest a single dollar into as that is the equivalent of taking the same dollar and tossing it into a bonfire.  Turbine is not going to use that dollar to make a single improvement that is going to rejuvenate this game.   If quest packs is all you are looking for you'll love everything after level 85, as 8 year old dungeons are considered endgame.  Why bother making new content when you can scale the old shit forever?  Their current business strategy is to hold on to as many players as they can and sucker a few new players to spend money only to find out they are playing a game on it's last legs.  At this point most of the players that understand that supporting this type of business practice is detrimental to gaming and the Tolkien IP have already left.  

 

5.  The current Lotro forum community, if they can even be called that, is filled to the brim with trolls, morons and straight up d bags.  If you have a great idea/suggestion about how to make the game better for other players, yourself or anyone with a functioning brain keep it to yourself.   (not like Turbine can afford to do it!)  The current forum lackeys do not embrace old ideas or new ones.   Half believe the developer can make no mistakes and the other half spends hours on the forum trying to depute the same morons.  I have not seen one productive thread since before ROI and since those were erased you will not either.

 

6.  My personal belief is that any game that changes out leadership like you change underwear is not worth supporting.  All the halfway decent staff have been moved to "new projects" (ones that will sure succeed, LOL)  Any MMO that has a different name at the bottom of the producers letter every time it is written should be boycotted not played.

 

7.  Sure the storyline is Tolkienesque  and that may be enjoyable enough, that is until you reach Rohan.  People said they couldn't wait for Rohan to come out.  That was until they were treated to some of the worst side storylines ever created.  Do you like reading speech bubbles while playing a game?   How about reading 10 to 15 minutes worth that can not be skipped?  Maybe you enjoy cleaning up after people while playing a game?   If so get ready to clean up after and set tables for every Rohirim in Rohan.    Oh wait you like combat?  Before you get to that fix this here fence, feed the pigs in the coup, the thane needs his supper go fetch it from the table 4 feet away so he can eat, basically right click on a bunch of items.  And just when you thought the storyline was well thought out, get ready for a 70 ft. tall ice giant throwing a Rohirrim a nautical mile and the Rohirrim surviving in near perfect shape.  Then get ready for easily the least cared about love story in story telling history.  Much the way the audience felt at the last Hobbit movie.   You know the one where people just walked out of the theater afterwards and said, what the fuck was that?  Apparently the source material of one of the greatest fantasy IP's wasn't enough to support a good storyline

 

All that said I'm not bitter about Lotro.  But I will not mention it's good points and give anyone hope about the game.  If you came to me 2 - 2 1/2 years ago and asked me the same thing,  I would have never typed 1 sentence of this.

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I can't believe I'm reading this?

The worst thing in Lotro was the quest tracker?

[...]

I'll just go ahead and call it being led around by the nose.

[...]

 

You need to work on your reading comprehension, as nobody claimed the thing to be the worst thing. What was claimed is that it was one of a number of reasons to feel a decline in the game's quality/immersion/what-have-you.

 

Also, what you yourself said (highlight by me) very much applies to the thing.

 

And to that other point:

 

[...]

Even when WOW had no quest tracker there was a plug in built for that purpose.

And it was one of the most downloaded plug ins eva!

[...]

 

Clearly, we need to eat shyte, because millions of flies can't possibly err.

 

HTH,

SNy

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You need to work on your reading comprehension, as nobody claimed the thing to be the worst thing. What was claimed is that it was one of a number of reasons to feel a decline in the game's quality/immersion/what-have-you.

 

Also, what you yourself said (highlight by me) very much applies to the thing.

 

And to that other point:

 

 

Clearly, we need to eat shyte, because millions of flies can't possibly err.

 

HTH,

SNy

Humor my friend.  read it again and notice the humor in it.  Strictly limited to the first paragraph.

 

I think I was pretty dead on in that post.  I only left out the poorly done revamped class trees.

 

I think the overall activity on this forum shows how relevant Lotro is today.  Which that it isn't.

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I can't believe I'm reading this?

The worst thing in Lotro was the quest tracker?   Even when WOW had no quest tracker there was a plug in built for that purpose.

And it was one of the most downloaded plug ins eva! 

Worst?  No.

 

Generally though quest trackers are one of the worst things that happened to mmorpg's.

 

Yes. WoW quest tracker add-on in WoW Vanilla was one of most (if not the most) downloaded one.  Changes nothing.

 

What quest trackers "allowed" is to streamline questing into doing simple tasks, instead of quests evolving into actual proper quests.

Instead mmorpg quests remained simplistic primitive mundane grind tasks.

 

Sure quest tracker is not only thing "at fault",  quest being what they are also for technical, budget, game concept, audience acceptance and several other reasons.

 

 

Still quest trackers are one of things that show how mmorpg's were choosen to evolve into facebook-like primitive games they are today, instead of what they could become =  actual hybrid of role-playing and virtual world games - something that could be actually interesting and unique.

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I don't mind quest trackers, i'm more troubled by quest design than trackers. "get X of some ramdom stuff" wears me out.

Yes. Recently I went back to do epics I'd skipped on my alts. Yikes. I'd forgotten how much trivial traveling there was in Vol I. Talk to NPC in Trollshaws who sends you back to another in Angmar, who sends you directly back to that same NPC near that Trollshaws cave. Back and forth a dozen times. If a character in the books was required to travel this far they'd die of old age or boredom before they finished.

I've often wondered, if our characters have such ready access to the mailboxes, why can't NPC's talk via mail messages to each other instead of using us as their pony express? Of course now Turbine has kindly provided the mithril coin option to just transport directly for 'only' 10 TP per pop. Gee, thanks Turbine.

Rant over. Carry on.

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I thought it was a toggle?

I still don't understand why features like Quest Trackers aren't on a toggle.

It can't be turned off for real because too many quests have been written in a way that the lazy Turbine employee relied on the quest tracker to find the location for the quest. Without the tracker there often is no indication at all where a certain thing might start or be.

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