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Did anyone see Thursdays live stream by Frelorn (Sap clone)? The fucker could barely stay awake, and it was just a wank-fest asking fan-persons to say how "great" U17 is.

And the cunts perma-banned me for using the English language: "fags" = "cigarettes" in English. Think about it.

Also, these septic twats who do not know the English language continually use the word "bring", when it should be "take". This is what happens when septics are permitted to use a very English IP. Cunts.

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Oh!, I get it... you're rping a self-important douche.  Great job! you really got in touch with the character.

I guess if you eat shit long enough you acquire a taste for it.

Eh? I've been invoked, so I appear. (This forum is still the best source of actual information about updates so I've been lurking). My assessment of Minas Tirith is similar to Warspeech's. I'll add my

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Did anyone see Thursdays live stream by Frelorn (Sap clone)? The fucker could barely stay awake, and it was just a wank-fest asking fan-persons to say how "great" U17 is.

And the cunts perma-banned me for using the English language: "fags" = "cigarettes" in English. Think about it.

Also, these septic twats who do not know the English language continually use the word "bring", when it should be "take". This is what happens when septics are permitted to use a very English IP. Cunts.

Gosh, and you were permabanned. Imagine that.

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To an American (which is the Turbine staff):

"fags" = plural of "fag", which is a derogatory term for a gay man.

Think about it.

Which shows the intent and meaning aren't important to Turbine staff, only their particular view of it. Context is always important.

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Which shows the intent and meaning aren't important to Turbine staff, only their particular view of it. Context is always important.

hmm, i'm trying to think why a guy like "scumfilth" would need to use the word fags during a U.S. hosted twitch feed?

maybe if he wasn't using the word cunt in just about every post i would give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he wasn't using the word to provoke a reaction.  i don't think context really plays into this one, doro.

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Whether language is appropriate or not depends on who is listening.

If you use a vile insult with no inkling that it will be heard as such, you should be forgiven (and informed so you don't repeat the faux pas).

If you use a vile insult knowing full well that others will hear it as such, and then try to argue that it "wasn't meant" that way, then you have a problem with logic.

And why would someone who clearly hates both the streamer and the subject of a stream tune into it?  Hmm...probably not to talk about his cigarettes...

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back on topic, the OF and world chat in-game discussion has gone from folks complaining about all the crashing and lag issues to the actual content of the update itself.  i've been around for a few years, but i'd have to say this is one of the most poorly received updates (given the high expectations of finally being in Minas Tirith, etc) in Turbine's history.  it appears that a lot of people are taking off their rose tinted glasses and seeing things for what they are.  

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I"ve only started, done a few of the epic quests and a few of the city ones.  It sounds like there are some quests coming up from "Forlong the Fat" that are making people swear to never do them again on other characters - that doesn't look promising.  I think I'm more interested in doing chicken runs at this point than I am in doing the new stuff.

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It's the menial nature of the quests that have people the most irritated.  At this point in the story everyone across Middle-Earth has heard of us.  Even the Witch-King of Angmar knows us by name.  Yet here we are doing mundane fetching quests and single-handedly running a bucket brigade.  It's insulting and quests like these are essentially like getting the middle finger.

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This last week period marks the first time that I have played Lotro since Fangorn Forests release.  Granted I am playing on my nephews account as after this update he has sworn to never return.  It has very little to do with his PC crashing to desktop.  I took over his account on my master race 6 core PC, with 16 GB ram, my SDD and Nvidia Titan gpu (not sure if it is legal and could care less).  He has a max level character that has completed the content, and my highest is a 95 who touched Fangorn Forest enough to know it's not what I signed up for.   

So I agree with what other are saying.   As far as Forlong and his remedial tasks, I ask how players could endure the Woodhurst quest area in HD xpac not complain about that and then complain about this.  That will forever and always be the worst quest chain in Lotro's existence.  Especially with 4 loading screens in between each quest hand in.   Sure it has a decent story but it has to have good quest flow in order for players to feel like they are playing a game rather than reading a book with long load screens in between each page.  I'm not going to dig into the dev team too much because at this point it's reduced to (educated guess) single digits on most teams. 

The new legendaries  are interesting but I don't see any point to it unless the level cap increases.  I'm not 100% positive but I guess the only way to improve them is the legacy tiers?  My nephew has most of his hunter's legacies maxxed at this point.  I sadly don't know much about hunters.  This is my first time playing one since Moria when I got a bank alt to about level 40.   I've gotten a chance to try the new small group instances and they are ok nothing to get excited about, the quality no where even close to the offerings before ROR and they are quite easy.   But hey at least they did something for that portion of the community.

My nephew has gotten further than I have with Epic Battles.   I remember putting about 7 points into the tree for engineer.  He's got it pretty filled out.  I asked him about it and he told me it's just a waste of time.  He spent more time right clicking stuff instead of using his bow and overall he finds that to be the most boring part of the game.  It appears he was coaxed into it by his kinsmen.   It's just not something I'm going to try.  I'm not sure why they keep trying to shoehorn these in when it is apparent there isn't many players who enjoy them.  I wasn't seeing a ton of groups forming for them.  

I haven't done enough of the content yet to give a full review, but so far it doesn't seem like anything out of the ordinary for Lotro since circa Helm's Deep.  I did go back on an alt on the account to do the paths of the dead and the other earlier content since Fangorn.  How the hell they kept as many people as they have is beyond me.  Before ROR I never used the word slogging.   I found the quest pace was ok and the storyline was decent.  Now a days it seems you're slogging through everything.  Quests, instances, everything.  

I'm not going to put much more time into Lotro because it just simply isn't grabbing my attention for the extended periods of time it used to.  Sure I might come back to try it out just to see if any improvement is being made.  As far as I can see since I left nothing has changed other than the number of total servers.  It's a little less like a casino but still keeps some of those elements which I despise.

 

 

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Let's not ignore the fact that Turbine's instant quest port now costs 5 Mithril Coins instead of the 1 before in other areas to get to the NPC. I think that's an acknowledgment by Turbine about the drawn out questing especially with the Forlong chain. I understood the relevance of talking to them as you learn about the lore and history of the city but I did the city with a friend and it took us over 3 hours to finish 21 quests for the deed. If not for how the city was laid out and my friend's frequent crashing we'd likely finish the quests in half that time but it's a grind that's slowly stealing the enjoyment out of me and my end game is PvMP which can be a hit or miss itself.

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Let's not ignore the fact that Turbine's instant quest port now costs 5 Mithril Coins instead of the 1 before in other areas to get to the NPC. I think that's an acknowledgment by Turbine about the drawn out questing especially with the Forlong chain. I understood the relevance of talking to them as you learn about the lore and history of the city but I did the city with a friend and it took us over 3 hours to finish 21 quests for the deed. If not for how the city was laid out and my friend's frequent crashing we'd likely finish the quests in half that time but it's a grind that's slowly stealing the enjoyment out of me and my end game is PvMP which can be a hit or miss itself.

You got that far? lol.  About 20 mins was all I needed to give up.  

Mithril coins.  The devils currency.  I remember getting all the free ones when they did the conversions from the items they made useless.  Look at a zone like the trollshaws and tell me that mithril coins wasn't a way to take advantage of those players.  I remember doing the epic quest in the Trollshaws when I got the MC I was spending them like crazy.  With no swift travel between any elf zones I'm sure a few got used there and the quest design had you going back and forth SEVERAL TIMES.  The slow horse from Thorenhad to Rivendell and back after about the 3rd ride through was enough to make you smash your head against a wall. 

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You got that far? lol.  About 20 mins was all I needed to give up.  

Mithril coins.  The devils currency.  I remember getting all the free ones when they did the conversions from the items they made useless.  Look at a zone like the trollshaws and tell me that mithril coins wasn't a way to take advantage of those players.  I remember doing the epic quest in the Trollshaws when I got the MC I was spending them like crazy.  With no swift travel between any elf zones I'm sure a few got used there and the quest design had you going back and forth SEVERAL TIMES.  The slow horse from Thorenhad to Rivendell and back after about the 3rd ride through was enough to make you smash your head against a wall. 

Admittedly my friend took a 6 year break before he came back to the game to do the latest content with me (so he hasn't been burnt out yet on all of the grinding as much as it is daunting). However, the quest chain really does deter people from doing it and another reason why Turbine is killing off alts with all this work.

SoA books were very painful to do then as well, before they added the instant ports with the quest itself. I remember taking on the role as Middle Earth Fedex to speak to NPCs across Eriador and that took a long time as well.

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How do you figure that?

At some point after banning Fredelas, Sapience subsequently blamed him for proposing the increased mithril coin quest travel costs during HD beta. 

Which showed what a low-class scumbag Sapience is, since Fredelas wasn't even allowed to post to defend himself (because Sapience had banned him).

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The newest zone has been 5 coins for instant ports for ages. That's the big advantage of falling at least 1 update behind when questing, instant ports are 5 times as cheap ;)
 

And to be honest, this is a part of the critisism I don't understand, it has been in lotro since the beginning of the game, the only big change is that these days you have so many options to make it easier. You can use mithril coins, you can use way more quick travels/ horse routes and almost every quest is just going to the dot on the map/ following the arrow on the minimap. In the beginning of the game you only had the quest text and google to find your way. Almost no quick travels, no instant-be-there-buy-option, no quest guide/arrows/indications on the map.

I think it was V1B14 and V2-epilogue that both had extreme amounts of travels, and people didn't mind. But they made the game so much easier, more difficult tasks get much more critisism.

Last weekend I had to use some of my oh-shit-skills as champion for the first time in a long time during questing, while I was paying attention. That made the game more fun. Most of the times I could just pull 10 mobs with my champion, use 2/3 AoE skills and they were all dead. Since I still haven't equipped any essence gear I'm probably a little undergeared for south Ithilien, which finally gives me some challenge sometimes.

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I know I risk at this point being branded a filthy casual or worse, an apologist at this point, but I just haven't felt the vitriol toward this release as others have.  I haven't had the perf issues.  The hotfix (which I predicted, mind) cleaned up most of my issues, and I find it curious that people with machines far far far far far hotter than mine (a 2009 stock Gateway I7 rig still running an NVIDIA XTS250 card) having way more trouble than I'm having with CTD's.  I've crashed twice. 

That isn't to say just because I'm not having trouble that means no one should, or I don't care that other are.  I'm a lot of things, but a frickin Narcissist isn't one.  But to me U17 will go down as one of those okay updates like Lothlorien.  Not terrible, not fantastic, kind of something that needed to be done because it's a LOTR game and MT has to be in a LOTR game.

I do feel a twinge when I hear people complaining about the fedex quests, because they're such "heroes" and its beneath them.  Pft.  I've achieved as much in this game as anymore, more even, and if I can gather a few knives and clean up some muck, so can you.  The point of it is to give us a tour of MT, a city we arrive at before the battle.  BEFORE THE BATTLE, so it's going to be quiet.  We're going to be "picking berries" here.  If you expected anything else, well you're kind of stupid.  The quests in Talath Arnor made up for the fedex quests, imo.  The whole update was on the lighter side, but MT delivers, it's what I thought Turbine could make it to be.  And it was an FCU (free content update).  I'm not sure Turbine has much more in it to do much more than it did here.  I haven't done the BB's yet.  I don't like BB's.  But honestly, at this point after the 2012-2014 exodus's of the raiders, who the FUCK is going to raid anyway???  So at least there's something to run.  And the repeatables are entertaining.

I dunno, I give this update 5/10 for sure, but like I've said before, the complaining seems out of kilter for the content delivered.  Just my opinion.  Okay, now lets have fits at each other over it.

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And to be honest, this is a part of the critisism I don't understand, it has been in lotro since the beginning of the game, the only big change is that these days you have so many options to make it easier.

The Trollshaws was probably the worst example of this. Back before they added extra stables and routes, the only way you could do it without murdering everyone within reach was to borrow a hunter and exploit their Riv and camp ports. I know people complained about it back then, too. They were just distracted enough by good content too.

But I think the criticism of this sort of content, along with it being unnecessary, is that it's now monetised. It feels like they've added it solely to make some money off of it.

 

I do feel a twinge when I hear people complaining about the fedex quests, because they're such "heroes" and its beneath them.  Pft.  I've achieved as much in this game as anymore, more even, and if I can gather a few knives and clean up some muck, so can you.  The point of it is to give us a tour of MT, a city we arrive at before the battle.  BEFORE THE BATTLE, so it's going to be quiet.

It's just bad writing, more than anything. There's countless other options that are more fitting a hero character. Investigations of secret cults/traitors working for the Enemy. Discovering various lore-based secrets or helping a royal librarian find something to help the war. Meeting influential lords and ladies and being involved in their political dealings. Aiding the smiths of Gondor by finding volunteer Dwarves to teach them how to improve their weapons. Double-checking the defences and giving suggestions for improvements.

That's some basic crap I made up on the spot and without getting paid for it. And they're a team of 'professionals' supposedly doing this. The 'clean this shit up' and 'carry this junk to this punk' quests are literally laziness.

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I know I risk at this point being branded a filthy casual or worse, an apologist at this point, but I just haven't felt the vitriol toward this release as others have.  I haven't had the perf issues.  The hotfix (which I predicted, mind) cleaned up most of my issues, and I find it curious that people with machines far far far far far hotter than mine (a 2009 stock Gateway I7 rig still running an NVIDIA XTS250 card) having way more trouble than I'm having with CTD's.  I've crashed twice. 

That isn't to say just because I'm not having trouble that means no one should, or I don't care that other are.  I'm a lot of things, but a frickin Narcissist isn't one.  But to me U17 will go down as one of those okay updates like Lothlorien.  Not terrible, not fantastic, kind of something that needed to be done because it's a LOTR game and MT has to be in a LOTR game.

I do feel a twinge when I hear people complaining about the fedex quests, because they're such "heroes" and its beneath them.  Pft.  I've achieved as much in this game as anymore, more even, and if I can gather a few knives and clean up some muck, so can you.  The point of it is to give us a tour of MT, a city we arrive at before the battle.  BEFORE THE BATTLE, so it's going to be quiet.  We're going to be "picking berries" here.  If you expected anything else, well you're kind of stupid.  The quests in Talath Arnor made up for the fedex quests, imo.  The whole update was on the lighter side, but MT delivers, it's what I thought Turbine could make it to be.  And it was an FCU (free content update).  I'm not sure Turbine has much more in it to do much more than it did here.  I haven't done the BB's yet.  I don't like BB's.  But honestly, at this point after the 2012-2014 exodus's of the raiders, who the FUCK is going to raid anyway???  So at least there's something to run.  And the repeatables are entertaining.

I dunno, I give this update 5/10 for sure, but like I've said before, the complaining seems out of kilter for the content delivered.  Just my opinion.  Okay, now lets have fits at each other over it.

My comment is about quest flow.   Not specifically the remedial nature of the tasks (atleast this time).  Although if you have too many in a row much like the ROI slave quests it becomes just that.   Yeah the raiders have left.  They would be dumbasses not to.  Which means that the focus should now be on the quest structure and flow.  Not sure I read anywhere anyone complaining about not having raids to do.  And I believe most of the complaints are about a single quest line.  5/10 is about right (like i said I only have 5 to 6 hours in so far).  But maybe some are reaching their breaking points with this repetition.  From what I can tell most people complaining or leaving the game have not been let down by this update alone.  Not sure where you thought people were going to fight you.  Possibly you're looking for it rather than expecting it? 

Really you feel a twinge when people complain about fed ex quests?  Seriously what is left to critique?  Honestly I did not like being a slave during ROI.  And it certainly has not gained any appeal since then.  That is personal opinion.  It's all subjective.  So you're critiquing others critiques.  You might think the content is awesome.  Others may think it is shit.  That doesn't give you the right to insult them.

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i kinda think the fedex quest with forlong was turbine going cheap rather than make 20 some odd quests through out MT so we can explore and learn the city. i probably wouldn't mind it so much if it wasn't for all the other issues with this update.

gotta roflol though at ppl complaining at the grind concerning u17 slayer deeds...grind? really?

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