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So... how is it fascist if they allowed in 100k Chechens half a decade ago but are now stopping refugees from places known to be filled with IS members? It's two different scenarios in different points of time.

And 7k refugees is more than enough. Remember, it only took half a dozen terrorists to kill those 129 people in Paris. Who knows how many are hiding amongst the masses?

Because it matters not what religion or what danger the immigrants bring. The size and danger of Chechen immigration were way bigger - there was however no political gain to oppose it. Now - the parasites and disease were rampant within the refugees, even before the Paris attack. 

The trick is to choose a figment of a threat, a weak threat - and build the fear and hatred around it. Jews were perfect. The nationalists still attack them, even were there aren't any.

See the logic?

 

In reality - the threat for Poland is in the East - and we should solidify our links and solidarity with EU, expecting reciprocity, while of course vetting refugees carefully. 

But no - the rotten cosmopolitan West wants to dump 7K potential terrorists, disease and parasite ridden ones on our Christian soil...

No way will we allow it.   

 

Edit; I'm not saying the Muslims threat is negligible in the West.  (France, Britain are esp. vulnerable, due to many reasons, and mainly second-third generation are a danger..) In Poland it is utter bullshit for the few thousand proposed. 

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So... how is it fascist if they allowed in 100k Chechens half a decade ago but are now stopping refugees from places known to be filled with IS members? It's two different scenarios in different points of time.

And 7k refugees is more than enough. Remember, it only took half a dozen terrorists to kill those 129 people in Paris. Who knows how many are hiding amongst the masses?

So screw everyone because there might be a terrorist among them.  How does this make things better.  We just sent that back to Syria to get kill, but at least we are safe.  Except there are terrorists that are born and brought up in the EU just like at least on of those in France, and those that attacked London in 2007.

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Because it matters not what religion or what danger the immigrants bring. The size and danger of Chechen immigration were way bigger - there was however no political gain to oppose it. Now - the parasites and disease were rampant within the refugees, even before the Paris attack. 

The trick is to choose a figment of a threat, a weak threat - and build the fear and hatred around it. Jews were perfect. The nationalists still attack them, even were there aren't any.

See the logic?

 

In reality - the threat for Poland is in the East - and we should solidify our links and solidarity with EU, expecting reciprocity, while of course vetting refugees carefully. 

But no - the rotten cosmopolitan West wants to dump 7K potential terrorists, disease and parasite ridden ones on our Christian soil...

No way will we allow it.   

 

Edit; I'm not saying the Muslims threat is negligible in the West.  (France, Britain are esp. vulnerable, due to many reasons, and mainly second-third generation are a danger..) In Poland it is utter bullshit for the few thousand proposed. 

But did the Chechens actually bring any danger? Were there any attacks from them?

I can't see the logic really because if they want to make something seem dangerous, then surely something that's supposedly more dangerous would be an easier thing to build a threat around. If they didn't do that to the Chechens, I'd be more likely to assume that they weren't as large a threat as the current terrorists amongst the refugees are.

Sure, Poland is in no way likely to be a target of IS. Its not exactly a dominant global power. But the risk is still there, however small it might be. Preventing refugees makes sense and should be the standard every nation sets until the situation is under control. Simply allowing undocumented migrants flow across borders just makes it easier.

 

So screw everyone because there might be a terrorist among them.  How does this make things better.  We just sent that back to Syria to get kill, but at least we are safe.  Except there are terrorists that are born and brought up in the EU just like at least on of those in France, and those that attacked London in 2007.

Yes. That's exactly what we should be doing. Screw the thousands of economic migrants trying to get into western Europe, they have potential threats hiding amongst them. If we don't control it, we're asking to be attacked. I don't care if little Abdi and his family (or, in reality, a horde of 20-something young males looking for hand-outs) had to leave their country to get to safety, all while bypassing a dozen others that already offer that. They're bringing the danger with them.

There's a current thinking that we must overlook these attacks and try to avoid playing into the hands of IS. But that solves nothing. People just become apathetic to the problem. And then we end up being nothing but a continent of people who sit and get sad after every attack and then just move on, leaving ourselves open to another attack, and another, and another. They want an easy target and that's exactly what we're giving them.

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International politics are complicated. I will not start with Adam and Eve or colonization, but the Original Sin and the source of our current European (Paris, Madrid) problems was the Invasion of Iraq, and the idea of spreading democracy (LYBIA!!!). Monsters like communism, fascism or death cults like ISIS breed on the dead body of destroyed state structures. When fully fledged they may take on different forms (authoritarian state or what not) but they can start only when chaos, destruction and anarchy reign.

The result of the Iraq invasion (the second one!) is around 250K dead people in Iraq itself under “democracy”. The Iraqi army drops its weapons and runs at the mere sight of ISIS (Even the South Vietnam army was better), Libya is a bandit state, Egypt has reverted to its traditional military rule, Syria is a cemetery.

People flee and will flee such places, making me think of the end of the Roman Empire, flooded by whole nations fleeing from the Hun.

We killed hundreds of thousands directly, more indirectly, still bomb them, engineered the destruction of their states, and when they flee we say “let's search them for parasites and disease”. We lock them in inhuman conditions, say “Well, it's not Sheraton or Hilton” and show them on TV when they are a rabble out of their minds.

 

Now, we have to defend ourselves against them.

 

Bravo.

 

I lost a crate of wine by betting “even G.W. Bush is not stupid enough to invade Iraq”. Never betting against imbecility again.

Say hello to the New Wave of national socialist parties in Europe.

After all, we have to defend ourselves.

 

P.S. Thank God I am not the French President. The measures I would undertake would bring France to the brink of civil war, their liberties back a century (curtailing of religious propaganda, IT control, mass surveillance, deportations), and Syria and Iraq two centuries into the past.). I am all for peace and liberty, but when Obama let Assad cross the “Red Line” it was all over but the shouting for non-ISIS opposition.

 

All I am calling for is a modicum of ration thought, minimum of understanding of cause and effect in politics.

Some sort of educational reform in the US would be nice – the most intelligent of the Republican Candidates for US Presidency is stubbornly defending his view that The Pyramids were not for burying The Pharaohs, but giant granaries instead.

I honestly think that idiots should not be allowed to rule the world.

And when we elect them – we should not be surprise by the effect of their decisions.

 

Iraq=>Paris. 

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I've read one of them was a "refugee" who was processed in Greek island of Leros a few months ago.

It's a death cult ideology that incubates in a certain religion more than other religions. Long history of opposition to rights of freedom of speech and religion. A billion people live under a regime where the law is severe punishment or death for renouncing a certain religion if you are born into it.

Are they refugees or an invasion if they are 75+% male between 18 and 28 and 75+% not even from Syria?

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you don't honestly believe that do you?

Look it up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam#/media/File:Apostasy_laws_in_2013.SVG

Check out Apostasy on Google. Further, a significant minority or outright majority in many countries where a certain religion dominates support the death penalty for it. Maybe they'll only annul your marriage and seize your children and property though so I guess it isn't all bad. :P

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I find it interesting that European countries that want to carefully screen the incoming immigrants and document who they are before allowing them entrance are accused of being racists. Yet Gulf countries including Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees. So, are they racists, too?

 

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I find it interesting that European countries that want to carefully screen the incoming immigrants and document who they are before allowing them entrance are accused of being racists. Yet Gulf countries including Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees. So, are they racists, too?

When other Arabs refuse refugees and outright say it's because it's a massive risk of terrorism, it's fine. They're offering to build mosques all over Europe for these poor unfortunates they'd rather not go anywhere near.

I truly question who is behind the scenes pulling all these strings, because no sane nation would continue to invite in what other nations deem to be security risks.

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I truly question who is behind the scenes pulling all these strings, because no sane nation would continue to invite in what other nations deem to be security risks.

Are you prepared to sacrifice whole 19 min of your life to answer that question? Because when people remove the solid black glasses and then the underlying pink glasses, what is left --and there is not much else that's left-- is this:

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Not to worry folks the Green Party have the solution

The killing has to stop and world leaders must find a way forward that defeats ISIS using the weapon that these terrorists fear most of all, peace talks.

https://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2015/11/16/paris-attacks-green-party-says-isis-wants-to-sow-division-and-spread-fear/

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Oh dear god! Let's send them all off to the desert for 'peace talks'. They can't take any weapons with them, though. Those are dangerous and are illegal. I can't wait to see what happens. _O-

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24 minutes ago, Doro said:

Great, now there's another Islamist attack in Mali.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34877069

No point even making specific threads now, they're just fucking shit up too often.

Who woulda thunk it?

While the Paris bombings were in the news there was also a story about how the Beirut bombings made some feel second class due to the difference in the scale of news coverage... some here correctly stated (IMO) that this crap happens every day in the Islamic world...

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2 hours ago, Doro said:

Now Belgium's having to stop functioning in Brussels! When the fuck has Belgium ever done anything to anyone?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34889144

Waffles! Those darn Belgians! Seems the waffles show that Allah ain't so Akbar after all or he would be giving 70 waffles when you blow yer-self up!

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