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6 minutes ago, Doro said:

I have no idea why he needs to keep making shit up when there are actual examples available. There's rape, child molestation, and terror attacks all up for grabs to back himself up, but him and his team feel the need to imagine fake ones. It doesn't make much sense, unless his goal is to further obscure the threat that the refugee crisis can have on a nation.

It could also be part of his narrative that the press are not telling you everything and in some cases are actively covering things up

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It's another Bowling Green moment from this Administration.

But sure enough, there'll be some people in this thread that will state it's the media's fault for not reporting something that never happened.

 

Anyway, Trump might have potential, but he needs to lay off the crack cocaine.

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8 hours ago, cossieuk said:

What the hell was Trump on about last night, what happened in Sweden.  In his speech about refugees he said something happen last night in Sweden.  Yet more fake stories from Trump about refugees.  He goes on about the media and fake news, yet he and his team are often the ones spouting fake news.

^was relatively calm though not entirely without incident.  those are the Arson's, there were other isolated incidents related to migrant problems, which is all Trump pointed to...  "migrant problems"^

6 hours ago, cossieuk said:

It could also be part of his narrative that the press are not telling you everything and in some cases are actively covering things up

^great Twitter account BTW^

Trump being Trump; calling the plays.  it is all about awareness.  Sweden actively suppresses the incidents, but that suppression isn't absolute & never will be.  & with what Trump did, plays to breaking through that suppression.

same goes for all the new social media Throttling & other means being employed to suppress dissent to the establishment narrative.

and all this is coming from people who live in walled off compounds:

http://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/mark-zuckerberg-angers-hawaiian-neighbors-building-foot-wall/story?id=40214802

or many mansions:

untouched by the problems the policies of globalization & mass migration cause.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/16/mark-zuckerberg-new-facebook-manifesto-letter

but they do get cheaper labor.

meanwhile:

who is actually benefiting from this rampant globalization, rising debt (tax) burden of the middle class & collapsing infrastructure?  & the left & portions of the right are currently being rather useful tools in the implementation & by tool i mean useful idiots.

5 hours ago, LordVorontur said:

It's another Bowling Green moment from this Administration.

But sure enough, there'll be some people in this thread that will state it's the media's fault for not reporting something that never happened.

 

Anyway, Trump might have potential, but he needs to lay off the crack cocaine.

not really, he never mentioned a terror attack but rather the problems of migrants in Sweden.

story was aired on fox previous night discussing migrant issues in Sweden:

if you look at the actual transcript, it is word salad-y enough, he actually mentions no one incident, rather problems in general.  & the attention is going exactly where it needs to.

& Swedish media is going to the trouble to print English versions of all the incidents on the 17th.  up till now they were suppressing the stories, or not reporting.  don't think that will be as easy to do from now on.  not to mention the fact that there are ample past examples of the rise in issues directly involving migrants.

but by all means keep underestimating Trump.

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1 hour ago, LasraelLarson said:

but by all means keep underestimating Trump.

You know they will, and Trump will have a second term while these Democrats will find out what a second lap of shoving your head up your ass feels like, all the while losing seats in Congress.

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8 hours ago, LasraelLarson said:
not really, he never mentioned a terror attack but rather the problems of migrants in Sweden.

So it looks like when he said "look at what happened last night in Sweden" he wasn't referring to any incident, he was referring to some minor story he saw on Fox News (of all places). I don't know what's more concerning: that Trump didn't list any actual events, or that he treats what Fox News says as reality.

Let's hope he doesn't watch Mad Max, or we might start hearing about how last night there was an apocalypse in Australia.

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13 minutes ago, Doro said:

 

Let's hope he doesn't watch Mad Max, or we might start hearing about how last night there was an apocalypse in Australia.

I believe Game of Thrones is where he got the idea for his wall from!

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13 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Actually it was Israel, as they built a wall and it solved the problem.

Edit:

And before someone disputes that fact, please take a read of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Egypt_barrier first.

It was Israel's wall from World War Z that really got him convinced.

Just look at all those peaceful people getting invaded by hordes of refugees. And that's happening right now (because I'm watching it right now).

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36 minutes ago, Doro said:

It was Israel's wall from World War Z that really got him convinced.

 

Lets just hope he never watches Dr. Strangelove

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3 hours ago, Laurinaohtar said:

Lets just hope he never watches Dr. Strangelove

Progressives...

Brits had Hadrian's wall...

Oz had the rabbit proof fence...

Krauts had Berlin wall... (keeping people in)

China has the great wall keepin' all them thar Draigoch critters out... (new movie FYI)

And in World War Z Israel let in all those Arab's singing their "la la" song... doomed them to zombified brain sucking... learn from WWZ!!!111!!!!

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Can't say I'm very happy with lots of youtube videos with little commentary on part of the person posted. This is a forum for you to say something.

As for the topic at hand, I find Trump very hard to analyze (which might be by design on part of him or his team). I can say for sure that I am not comfortable with Bannon on the NSC and a whole range of other people in the administration.

It isn't so much incompetent people. Trump has the right to nominate people with no expertise in the matter at hand, just like it is done in many big companies. The Senate is supposed to guard against too much damage being done. Not his problem.

I seriously question, however, what kind of security clearance review process lead to some of the current team went through. Past connections, past speech and past actions would keep most of us here from getting as much as a random low level clearance to work on some statistics for the department of derp. But white house, NSC, heading intelligence services? I think it is fully justified to ask the FBI to explain their decision making in more detail.

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Wonder why Trump doesnt talk about the man in Florida arrested after planning to put bombs in 10 Target stores, to try and lower the stock price so he could buy it.  This is surely an attempted act of terrorism.  Could it be that the man was a white American, because if he had been a Muslim immigrant you know it would be broguht up

http://abc7ny.com/news/man-accused-in-plot-to-bomb-target-stores/1758958/

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1 minute ago, fittybolger said:

Nah. There is a criminal element in the country which are immigrants/refugees. However, the vast majority of immigrants/refugees are very well behaved. Also, most of the organised crime in Sweden are run by ex-Balkan types, but they've been in the country for so long now(either since the 60s/70s when the country needed an influx of foreign workers, or since the early 90s and the break up and civil war in the former Yugoslav countries).

 

Saying that there's a problem though, that's the problem within itself. It's not immigration that is the problem, the only problem is swiftly dealing with those cunts who are breaking the law and deporting them back from whence they came. Most immigrants are law-abiding citizens.

 

However, it's not Fake News as such. There is way too much political correctness crap among the Swedish journalist corps. Far too many socialists/green party voters in mainstream media. And also, at the moment, they're losing the battle of trying to keep it a PC battle. The Swedish Democrats are polling at around 18%, which is their worst nightmare.

 

However, you gotta have a hole in your head if you use Facebook to rant about stuff. Bet you he had colleagues on there, who he'd pissed off at some point, who went running to management the minute they read it. I am not at all surprised about the outcome.

I think the problem isn't the fact that he ranted, but that he was using names to prove a point. And unfortunately, the brass(which really is the problem)are virtually all political appointments, and don't like rocking the boat. At all.

 

However, I didn't really see anything in his rant that constitutes racism. I doubt anything will happen to him in terms of prosecution or termination. This is just bog standard Prosecutor bullshit, because she probably wants her name known as a springboard for something else. This is just the same treatment Police who happen to use their firearm in service get.

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18 hours ago, Doro said:

So it looks like when he said "look at what happened last night in Sweden" he wasn't referring to any incident, he was referring to some minor story he saw on Fox News (of all places). I don't know what's more concerning: that Trump didn't list any actual events, or that he treats what Fox News says as reality.

correct, a story on fox news.  for accuracy, lets use Trumps actual words:

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you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden. who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible.

he never mentions incident.

take care you don't become yet another talking head repeating media narratives.  Trump is talking about numbers of immigrants & the rise in crime as a result.  if you look at Swedish news sources, you'll see it is actually true:

http://www.friatider.se/

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/

arson is the big one, the other being the rising shift in assaults in migrant heavy areas.  & of course the increase in incidents of rape.  all directly related to migrant heavy populations.  & the incidents are almost daily now.

12 hours ago, Darmokk said:

Can't say I'm very happy with lots of youtube videos with little commentary on part of the person posted. This is a forum for you to say something.

what an absolutely pointless comment considering it doesn't have any relation to what you posted after.

cheap.

your happiness, isn't anyone's responsibility but your own.  the problem is 100% yours.

7 hours ago, cossieuk said:

THe only problem Sweden has with migrant criminals is getting them out of the Ecuadorian Embassy 

do you not give a single crap about due process?

the accusation is sufficient.  pathetic.  pray you are never accused of rape & the accusation alone ruins you.

honestly mate, raise your standards!

4 hours ago, LordVorontur said:

There is a criminal element in the country which are immigrants/refugees. However, the vast majority of immigrants/refugees are very well behaved.

no the majority isn't any longer statistically true.  increasing numbers is shifting the statistics.  & it is more than just crime.  it is also culture:

* female genital mutilation is on the rise.

* marriage to minors?

overburdening infrastructure:

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/western-europe/2014-05-19/stockholm-syndrome

the increasing pressures & suppression of news or speech related to immigration & migrants.  when areas reach critical mass;  the calls for Sharia do as well.  this isn't just about the assault, arson & rape, though all those statistics are way up among migrants.

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6 hours ago, LasraelLarson said:

correct, a story on fox news.  for accuracy, lets use Trumps actual words:

he never mentions incident.

take care you don't become yet another talking head repeating media narratives.  Trump is talking about numbers of immigrants & the rise in crime as a result.  if you look at Swedish news sources, you'll see it is actually true:

http://www.friatider.se/

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/

arson is the big one, the other being the rising shift in assaults in migrant heavy areas.  & of course the increase in incidents of rape.  all directly related to migrant heavy populations.  & the incidents are almost daily now.

I'm well aware of the "refugee" crisis in Europe and its negative affects. But that doesn't mean Trump referring to TV programmes to make a point is valid. He said "what's happening last night in Sweden" as if something new had happened, but the entire time he's referring to a segment on a shitty channel as if everyone was sitting on his bed with him, watching it in his tighty-whities. He might as well have said "look at what's happening last night in New York" just because he's watched a documentary on 9/11 the previous evening.

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Headline: Irony: Migrant Riots in Sweden day after 'Outrage' over Trump Comment

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/31339/53/

I used Macedoniaonline for the pretty pictures that reminded me of Berkley riots... birds of a feather.

Emergency services can't get in apparently... apparently a "no-go" zone...

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12 hours ago, LordVorontur said:

Saying that there's a problem though, that's the problem within itself. It's not immigration that is the problem, the only problem is swiftly dealing with those cunts who are breaking the law and deporting them back from whence they came. Most immigrants are law-abiding citizens.

This is the big problem in most of the EU. Whilst I voted to remain in the EU and still believe that leaving is a mistake, the European Court of Human Rights and political correctness of many EU leaders has lead to too much forgiveness of crimes committed by people we allow to enter our country so that they can improve there situation. Leaving that system (EU courts and PC culture) will probably be good for the UK.

I believe we have a responsibility to harbour refugees from countries where we are somewhat culpable for the awful situations arising in there parts of the world (Iraq war, demand for oil etc...). We also should share some responsibility for helping people fleeing abhorrent conditions in there own country from war, dictatorship and persecution etc... However these people also have a responsibility to respect the country that has chosen to harbour them and any criminal acts should just lead to deportation.

Refugee immigration isn't really the big problem in the EU, what is the big issue is the EU's lightweight approach to dealing with refugees that commit criminal acts. The vast majority of refugees are law abiding citizens, but for those minority that cannot respect the laws of the country that is offering them safety, once found guilty (of even minor crimes) deportation should be the only option.

Illegal immigration is obviously not something that leaving the EU will do too much to prevent and is another issue entirely. But maybe leaving the EU court system will enable us to deal with that better, who knows?

Also non-refugee immigrants from the US, Australia, Sweden(!) etc... should also face deportation for committing criminal acts.

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On 2/21/2017 at 1:57 AM, Doro said:

I'm well aware of the "refugee" crisis in Europe and its negative affects. But that doesn't mean Trump referring to TV programmes to make a point is valid. He said "what's happening last night in Sweden" as if something new had happened, but the entire time he's referring to a segment on a shitty channel as if everyone was sitting on his bed with him, watching it in his tighty-whities. He might as well have said "look at what's happening last night in New York" just because he's watched a documentary on 9/11 the previous evening.

something new is happening every day.  Malmo is the bloody rape capital of the EU.  Car & or Bus fires is the new Swedish black.  & Trumps word salad guffaw had media firing all guns once again, Globally.  they fixate on the flaw, the whole time talking directly on the subject he wants discussed.  & now he pushes the next button:

it may rub you the wrong way, but it is effective & if something is effective, you keep doing it. 

as mentioned before, since 2005 Swedish "powers that be" have actively suppressed reporting by police and the press.  the lid is coming off there as well.


someone posted the recent time cover a while back...  i actually kind of like the image so i re-dubbed the header:

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almost Odin-esque in his resolute face.  calm in the storm.

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8 minutes ago, Laurinaohtar said:

I believe we have a responsibility to harbour refuges from countries where we are somewhat culpable for the awful situations arising in there parts of the world (Iraq war, demand for oil etc...). 

& that is a massive factor!

for decades the West has been interfering in political games of regime change & influence.  that needs to stop!  i actually think Trumps latest pic (H.R.-McMaster) may have an upper hand in the right approach...

President-Trump_Lt.-Gen.-H.R.-McMaster.j

the Middle East meddling has to stop.

the other thing i think is critically wrong, is that we in the West are the ones to help.  first that assumes the Middle East can't solve its own problems & second that we in the West with dramatically different culture are going to be able to address things that are frankly entirely foreign.

all in all the West needs to step back & let the Middle East work out its own problems.  the numbers being displaced is way outside the realm that would be helping anyway.  all this is doing is further destabilizing things & that doesn't help anyone.

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40 minutes ago, LasraelLarson said:

 

the Middle East meddling has to stop.

 

Doesn't this contradict Trumps rhetoric about wiping out ISIS?

You can guarantee that if problems in the Middle East directly effect the US economy (oil production and prices for example) Trump will be the first to send in the troops to "sort out there problems".

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1 hour ago, LasraelLarson said:

something new is happening every day.

Come on, Las, even you can't keep defending Trump when he clearly fucks up. Him making shit up instead of taking actual examples doesn't help raise awareness, it just makes him look more and more like he's fear-mongering and has no point. The more he makes criticism of the EU "refugee" crisis seem like a dishonest claim, the more power he's giving to the people who are covering their ears over it.

This stupid "fake news" dance he keeps doing with the media is a distraction in and of itself, nothing more.

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