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On 11/6/2016 at 11:17 AM, Doro said:

Only two options given, when there's 3 other viable candidates? Nah, I'm not joining this 2 party nonsense the media keeps pushing on everyone. They act like it's a choice between Civil War or WW3, and then ignore people like Stein.

I can only hope Trump wins, since he's the lesser of two evils. Lord knows the population won't all throw aside the system and make the right choice otherwise.

Jill Stein may end up with a decent amount of the popular vote (more than the 2-3% they are currently polling her for anyway.)  but i don't think she will get above 10%.  though if Bernie supporters actually had a spine, it could be upwards of 15% easily, but Bernie himself seems to lack a spine, so why would his support base be any different?  though i have seen evidence he was bound to some internal DNC agreements prior to them colluding against him.

Jill Stein could be a surprise in the overall vote, but unless she breaks 15% of the popular vote, polls like the one in my OP will never include a 3rd party, if Americans themselves won't consider the option.

She is a great debater as well & would have been interesting to see that perspective represented more.

all that said, given leeway beyond some of her decent rebuttals to the 2 primary candidates...  i will never be comfortable with a socialist, even prefaced by "Democratic."

1 hour ago, cossieuk said:

Donald Trump has a court case starting in December for alleged rape of a 13 year old.  Add to this all the women that have accused him of sexual assault, his comments about grabbing women by the pussy and them just letting you because you are famous.

This is on top of accusations of attempted rape of an ex business partner and rape of his ex wife.

Now these might all be lies, or some of them lies, but they is no way I could vote for a man that say the things he does about women.

RE: the case of the 13 year old...  it has already been dropped.  there is no more case.  smells of hoax.

he did have some epic fights with Ivana though & all we have there is he said, she said.  Ivana is VERY litigious as well, had she any bruises, or other evidence of physical abuse (rather than just verbal) i am fairly certain he would be up on rape charges.  though all we have is a tell all from her in book form.

 

and as far as grabbing her by the pussy...  fairly sure the women wasn't unconscious & or drugged & had agency.  there is such a thing as non verbal consent & well Donald (true to form) was braggadocios about the incident, it doesn't come off as sexual assault to me.

 

 

 

#notALLwomen

 

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39 minutes ago, Doro said:

The same can be said of Clinton, who defended the rapist of a young girl, even though she KNEW he'd done it (she was caught laughing about what she'd done). 

 

She was appointed as a Public Defender, she had to do her job you cant hold that against her.  The laughing was about the use of lie detectors as she knew they were shite.

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57 minutes ago, cossieuk said:

... she had to do her job you cant hold that against her.

A job is no excuse for immorality. She knew he was a rapist. She knew a child's life had been turned upside down by scum. But she did all she could to make sure he escaped punishment. Too many people throughout history are excused as "just doing their job" but, in this case, she certainly had other options.

Edit: sorry, I re-read what I'd posted and it does look like I'm suggesting the guy didn't do time. He did 4 years suspended sentence and 12 months in prison (including the 2 months he did during the trial). And that was a plea deal, so everyone involved was aware he'd committed the crime. Which is why I say he escaped punishment.

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Polls close in a couple hours... 

I am going against all the polls / media / establishment and going with my "Brexit lesson" so I predict 53% Trump in popular vote and 320 electoral college votes.

 

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I feel very qualified saying that email is never safe and should never be used to send anything confidential (email defined as currently implemented with SMTP, MX records, IMAP etc). Arguing with me about this isn't going to impress.

 

As for the other matter, Libya was bombed after war in the country had already broken out.

Iraq was ground invaded for WMDs that were never found.

ISIS would arguably even stronger in North Africa if the West hadn't made an attempt to get initial Libya revolution over with quicker.  The ISIS situation there is not good by any standard, however it is a lot better than in Syria and Iraq, or parts of sub-saharan Africa for that matter. I also find it very likely that if the West had let Libya go the way that Syria went then Egypt would have ISIS ground forces running around the same they do in the Levant.  If ISIS has that kind of presence in Libya, Egypt, Syria and Irak then Jordan would be next and Israel would be in need of defending. I don't find the bombing of Libya a bad idea or a failed project at all.

And how many US soldiers died in Iraq and in Libya, respectively?

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2 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

While it's only 16% reporting in, Trump's got the lead with 50% of the vote thus far, and 129-97 with the electoral college.

If he can hold the lead he's had all night long, then Hillary's gonna be living Orange is the new Black.

Once California's numbers come in, it will swing the popular vote pretty hard.

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Oops.

Well, at least we made a killin'.  My smartass wife (pessimistic) shorted the entire stock market.

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15 minutes ago, Laurinaohtar said:

Turns out America really is full of redneck shit heads. Who knew! 

East Europe, Brexit, USA.

Time for a fascist president in Austria, Le Pen in France, AFD in coalition in Germany.

Off to Mars.  

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Well, I thought for sure they'd pick the vile corrupt devil-they-knew over a blustering know-it-all. Who knew? Polling was so off.

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I'm actually glad. Since he doesn't know anything about politics, he doesn't know to hate Russia for no real reason, and to put UK on the back-burner for Brexit. In terms of foreign policy, he might actually end up fixing things unintentionally.

Domestic policy will be another matter. I'm already seeing people retweet that they're terrified for their lives because they're black, Mexican, an immigrant, Muslim, a woman, gay, trans, or a leftist. Hard to try to rule a nation when half of your people have this bizarre belief you're actually competently evil.

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32 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Look ma, it's a bigot!  Who knew!

 

9 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Nah, it just makes it better for them to step in line and behave like civil people or we SEND THEM BACK FOR REFUNDS! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

lol

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3 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

And (hopefully) we can finally move past this idiotic notion of political correctness - which is really just a form of censorship.

I doubt it, when the media is owned by so many of a certain "kind" of people. Plus, the internet will always be a breeding ground for political correctness. I've been spending my morning off just visiting the safe spaces and echo chambers of the uber-left, and drinking in the tears. It's Brexit all over again and I love it!

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I see the "omg they're all racist" brown shirts of political correctness are already at work.

How has the Syrian / North African migrant situation been working for Europe? Well the USA has been dealing with Mexican Illegals for my entire life.

Trump will put up the wall and Mexico will pay for it... either willingly or through the imposition of a new (regressive) border crossing fee / tax.

TPP is dead... NAFTA is going to be under scrutiny... and I wonder about just about EVERY international agreement or treaty. U.N.? NATO? (making every member pull it's weight or contribute financially to the member nations who do pull their weight), GATT? IMF? ???

Angry white males have crossed the Rubicon led by Farage and Trump.

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4 hours ago, Doro said:

IDomestic policy will be another matter. I'm already seeing people retweet that they're terrified for their lives because they're black, Mexican, an immigrant, Muslim, a woman, gay, trans, or a leftist. Hard to try to rule a nation when half of your people have this bizarre belief you're actually competently evil.

Hey I'm a white guy and I am terrified, for starters about all those truckpunks who try to kill me on the roads here. They have gotten very gocky already.

7 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

Finally we can fix the screwups of the last 8 years and get the economy back on track.

Well I'm for one am honestly curious what Trump will actually do. He wasn't very specific about much, and the little he said he would do is actually not in the power spectrum of the president.

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5 hours ago, Doro said:

Hard to try to rule a nation when half of your people have this bizarre belief you're actually competently evil.

Have you seen the people that make us his transitional team? Not so bizarre...

2 hours ago, fittybolger said:

Angry white males have crossed the Rubicon led by Farage and Trump.

The only thing that angry white males have to be angry about...well, what do they have to be angry about?  Half of them probably don't even know...

But yes, today is a great day to be an older, straight, white, "Christian" male.  It's just like the good ole days!

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Well, at least we probably will enter interesting times the next months/ years

 

To be honest, I think Trump will be a big disappointment to those who voted for him, because I think he can't fix the problems the USA (or all western countries) has. Prosperity isn't divided equally around the world, the western world is too rich when you look at our population numbers and the other 6 billion want a share of it too. Globalization will 'help' with this problem. Another big problem is the lack of jobs for the lower-educated. More and more of their jobs are automated. I think the job-loss in the western world to automization is far bigger than job-loss to outsourcing. And those jobs won't come back and won't be replaced.

There are some options to solve that problem:
1. Higher minimum wages
2. Birth selection (prevent those with lesser economic opportunities to be born)
3. Give state benefits to those people by raising taxes for the richer
4. Make more jobs (but how? because all simple jobs are automated...)

Which option would a Republican choose/ how can you do nr. 4 in the current world/ which other options are there?

And politicians all fail to see this point (or just refuse to tell it)

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There are too many people with low skills competing for low-skill jobs. That applies inside America (local white trash against local white trash) as well as internationally. American low-skill workers compete with those in other countries, and prices for American low-skill workers are driven up by e.g. safety requirements.

This isn't anything that politics can directly change based on decisions they make. That is for all politics and government combined. When you look at just what kind of powers are put into the hands of the U.S. president you will find them limited. Very limited indeed when it comes to directly influence the workers' situation inside random U.S. states.  

It is true that the Trump voters will have an opportunity to see how it works out for them. However, in my view of this election it is not so much that poor white trash voted Trump because they are poor. The religious (evangelist) element looks stronger to me than the poverty argument. And that is relatively easy to please from a federal government position. Especially if you have open seats on the highest courts. We won't see a money shift, but religious fundamentalism will dictate a lot of decisions in the next 4 years. The poor won't have a single penny more effective income in 4 years, but they will be pleased because their religious ideas have been accommodated. It really is best for all. The masses are satisfied, the elite can still extract every last penny from the poor, and nobody has to change their lives (like, get education to compete better or some other horrible scenario like that).

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Hehe I don't have the time or inclination to get into a huge wall of text so... briefly.

I am Canadian but my brother has lived in the USA for ~25 years along with his wife and 4 children. All remain Canadian citizens except for my nephew who wanted to join the FBI and he needed to become a US citizen to pursue that career path. So, personally, I do have a dog in this fight when it comes to USA issues above and beyond the close economic and social ties that exist in general between Canada and the USA.

Angry white male... well, IMO, globalism at it's basic foundation is an attempt to avoid wars by developing, primarily, interdependent economic relationships between nation states. Nice goal but it also necessitates a redistribution of wealth between rich and poor countries and all of the hard and soft infrastructure that goes along with that. There is also a multicultural component to globalism that plays against traditional nationalist sentiments.

So do I really need to go into why there would be an 'Angry white male" sentiment given a international redistribution of wealth and a diluting of cultural identity?

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1 hour ago, Thrabath said:

Well, at least we probably will enter interesting times the next months/ years

 

To be honest, I think Trump will be a big disappointment to those who voted for him, because I think he can't fix the problems the USA (or all western countries) has. Prosperity isn't divided equally around the world, the western world is too rich when you look at our population numbers and the other 6 billion want a share of it too. Globalization will 'help' with this problem. Another big problem is the lack of jobs for the lower-educated. More and more of their jobs are automated. I think the job-loss in the western world to automization is far bigger than job-loss to outsourcing. And those jobs won't come back and won't be replaced.

There are some options to solve that problem:
1. Higher minimum wages
2. Birth selection (prevent those with lesser economic opportunities to be born)
3. Give state benefits to those people by raising taxes for the richer
4. Make more jobs (but how? because all simple jobs are automated...)

Which option would a Republican choose/ how can you do nr. 4 in the current world/ which other options are there?

And politicians all fail to see this point (or just refuse to tell it)

Let's hope Trump or anyone doesn't follow the policies listed here. Yeesh. 2 is downright scary and 1and 3 are same ol' same ol' money grows on trees fantasy land. I'm sorry, but all that would be continuing in the wrong direction.

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24 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Drop our health insurance and just eat the fine because it's just cheaper that way and we're healthy enough that we can live without the insurance.

 

That's the stupidest thing I heard in my life.

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48 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Basically the US gets a Margaret Thatcher.

 

As a Scotsman all I can say is getting Margaret Thatcher means you are fucked

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