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On 12/6/2016 at 0:18 PM, Papi said:

 

News flash, a great swath of the population is racist and bigoted.  When you cut through the bullshit, I don't think calling a spade a spade made any difference in the voting.

Well that's your opinion.  I've no doubt that there are racist people out there, but I simply don't agree that it's as widespread as your making out.  Unless of course your going down the SJW rabbit hole that all white people are inherently racist, in which case I think we can safely call our discourse finished.

 

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On 12/5/2016 at 5:47 PM, Almagnus1 said:

And he's also a New Yorker that doesn't exhale, but talk.

If you're paying attention to EVERYTHING a New Yorker says, you're doing it wrong.

Well, they kinda lost their way when they went head first into political correctness, and tried to tell us what to think.

The results of the Presidential election were not so much as "we want Trump", but more of a "we hate him less" and "we reject Clinton's ideology".

Personally, I'd rather have Carson as President, as he seems like he's level headed enough to actually do well.  I'm hoping that a Cabinet position will help him towards that.

If you're using that excuse for Trump, you could say the same thing for Clinton since she's also a New Yorker... but we all know that argument is bullshit.

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2 hours ago, Eredor said:

If you're using that excuse for Trump, you could say the same thing for Clinton since she's also a New Yorker... but we all know that argument is bullshit.

Of course it's bullshit.  Almagnus1 went from blasting the left wing pundits for going off on tantrums to making excuses for and accepting the same type of behavior from the president-elect--who for all intents and purposes should be held to a higher standard.  And to dismiss it as "social nonsense"...but that is the root of the issue with this whole election.  On some level, I think a large portion of Trump supporters fully accepted that he was, in fact, all the bad things that the mainstream media made him out to be.  They just don't give a shit.  They ignore how he ran his campaign, the crazy shit he continues to say, and the fact he's filled his cabinet with some serious nut-jobs (half of which come from the same swamp he's supposed to be draining).

They want someone like Trump because apparently Obama was horrible to the middle class, hard-working, white male and they are pissed about it.  Of course, if you asked them what they are actually pissed about they would probably point to some fake news that their buddy Jim posted on Facebook.  Last time I checked, Hillary Clinton was a true witch and was headmistress of her own sex-slave operation filled with underage children.  2.5 million more people voted for Clinton but Trump has such a fragile ego that he will blame it all on illegal voters, provide no proof to back up his absurd allegations and his followers will run with that bullshit for the next four years.

Personally, there was something about Clinton that just didn't seem right to me.  So I'm wiling to entertain what a Trump presidency will look like.  I also strangely have faith in the American public that if his cabinet tries to push through any insane legislation, the shit won't become law.  But people need to stop making excuses for what Trump has done/is doing/will do.  You wanted him.  You got him.  Own up to all the shit when it hits the fan, because there is sure to be a lot of it coming.

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1 hour ago, Papi said:

 I also strangely have faith in the American public that if his cabinet tries to push through any insane legislation, the shit won't become law.

Cease and desist, stop thinking "checks and balances" as well. We also thought in Poland - "Constitution", "Supreme Court", "Independent Judiciary and media", "Polish love of freedom". All can be swept aside on a swell of hatred, resentment, "fuck the truth and them elites", "let's go back to the safe heaven of tradition" and of all the things I quoted abundantly. 

As you wrote - "You wanted him. You got him." 

 

Also - USA is so huge, that even insane protectionism and isolationism may profit the economy and the people for a while, as it is for ex. simply untrue that globalization profits the people and democracy. 

Winter has come. 

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I guess the upshot of all of this is, when you have 2 candidates that are both fucktards, chances are a fucktard is going to win. Democracy huh.

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One of my recent Guardian favourites....

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/10/misogyny-us-election-voters

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Shame on them. The most qualified candidate [Hillary] in a generation was defeated by the least qualified of all time. That is what misogyny looks like, and, like all bigotries, it will end up dragging us all down.

 

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On 12/7/2016 at 4:39 AM, Jedy2 said:

Winter has come. 

time of the Father, blessings & peace:

also, your intellect deserves better than the Guardian, though the state of publication today, you may have a difficult search ahead ;)

 

on another note... 

heh heh.

2017 is going to be amazing!

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This article tries to take a broader look on the mechanics of today's world than "Fuck Trump" or "Guardian's Lefties cry over Hilary".

Obviously its attempt failed.  

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31 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

It's because The Guardian is really nothing more than Democrat propaganda.

It's like trying to cite a serious article in The Onion to back up an argument.  It fails because the source is what it is, despite how valid the article may (or may not) be.

The same can also be said about most news outlets in the US for matter >.>

If an article is valid then it doesnt matter where it is published.  A valid article is a valid article

 

On another note, it is really said that Scott Pruitt is to get the job as head of EPA.

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18 minutes ago, cossieuk said:

If an article is valid then it doesnt matter where it is published.  A valid article is a valid article

 

Which should be obvious.  Unfortunately...

 

53 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

It's because The Guardian is really nothing more than Democrat propaganda.

It's like trying to cite a serious article in The Onion to back up an argument.  It fails because the source is what it is, despite how valid the article may (or may not) be.

The same can also be said about most news outlets in the US for matter >.>

Hannity is my choice for "news", when I crave a bizarro, suped up on crack, right-wing conspiracy bent take on the "news".  Or Alex Jones, he's a diamond in the ruff, a true patriot. 

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49 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Didn't know you were one for conspiracy nuts...

Then again, a tin foil hat seems to suit you well...

whereas sarcasm is clearly lost on you.  

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1 hour ago, Almagnus1 said:

Given how stupidly overkill some of the EPA regs are, that may not be a bad thing.

There's a very big difference from protecting the environment compared to completely removing every single trace of humanity from an area while letting it go while without consideration to whether or not that's in the best interest of the land.  I'm also not advocating that we completely abuse the environment, as I do like seeing the scenery as much as the next person.

Case in point, I got to see entire mountains of pine trees die around Winter Park, Colorado because EPA and the US Forestry service prevented the pine tree forest from being thinned enough so the trees would survive, yet dense enough to keep the top soil intact.  The result was entire mountains of pines turning autumn colors - an oddly beautiful, yet very sad, sight as the mountains became naked.  The real tragedy is that the dead trees were of such poor wood quality that they were only fit for mulch and firewood, and nothing else.

Then there's the number that EPA did on the Colorado mining industry - which has gone all but extinct by the end of the 20th century.  Seeing one of the mining towns half buried in snow and completely abandoned is a haunting image of loss that I doubt I could ever truly do justice.  While some died because of spent minerals, a lot died because the environmentalists shut them down.

It's that kinda stuff where environmentalism has gone nuts that we need to curtail, and having someone that isn't completely buying into everything the EPA has been pedaling is going to help that.  That said, we DEFINITELY should not devolve into the same environmental quality practiced by the Chinese.

He has a history of fighting the EPA in court.  He has sent letters of complaint to the EPA that were drafted by laywers from Devron Energy, a company that he has had funding from.

Hardly an unbiased person who will look at all options

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1 hour ago, cossieuk said:

He has a history of fighting the EPA in court.  He has sent letters of complaint to the EPA that were drafted by laywers from Devron Energy, a company that he has had funding from.

Hardly an unbiased person who will look at all options

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/08/scott-pruitt-trump-s-climate-denying-epa-pick-is-worse-than-you-think.html

But I'm sure this probably makes as much sense as Ben Carson being in charge of HUD (someone who once compared government assisted housing to communism).

Ah look, another winner...http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/08/in-andy-puzder-donald-trump-makes-the-worst-possible-pick-for-secretary-of-labor.html

 

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3 hours ago, Papi said:

Which should be obvious.  Unfortunately...

 

Hannity is my choice for "news", when I crave a bizarro, suped up on crack, right-wing conspiracy bent take on the "news".  Or Alex Jones, he's a diamond in the ruff, a true patriot. 

Why not? Lots of people get/got their news from The Daily Show, The Colbert Report or Last Week Tonight so people may as well be well rounded. :P

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19 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Yes, the article is clearly an example of unbiased journalism that doesn't fear monger in the least....

**hands Papi more tin foil** you're hat's missing a spot.

So which of these facts listed in the article are you disputing?

- He's a climate denier.

- He's sued the EPA five times (and lost)

- He openly defied court orders on same sex marriage and abortion

- He wants public schools to distribute religious materials to children

The top 2 being the most obvious issues of concern in regards to his appointment.

And Al...just to be clear...you and I have had some cool back and forth about FFXIV, but at the end of the day you're acting like a juvenile internet troll that likes to hurl insults--your interaction with Darmokk in this very thread proves that.  What's the point?  That you have to be right?  If that is what this is all about and what every argument with you is going to be like (and trust me, I've seen your handiwork here and on the OF) lets skip to the part where I give you your I-won-the-internet-today award and you can hang it on your wall. 

/shrug.

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@ Almagnus, we disagree on a host of issues (save for FFXIV).  The list is glaring so I'm not going to regurgitate them, it's pointless.  I'm wiling to agree to disagree.  That's not running away, that's making the decision to treat you like an adult (even if you aren't acting like one), let you have your opinion and move the fuck on.

I'm not going to change your mind.  You're not going to change my mind.  You can call me a true liberal with as much disdain as you can muster, that is your choice.  

I'd say let's take a look at the country in four years, but to be brutally honest...they way you are acting out now, it doesn't matter what Trump and his administration does or doesn't do. In your eyes, the "liberal left" will always be the worst case scenario of any scenario.  There really is no point in trying to counter that argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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yeah the lefts shift into crazytown Marxist identity politics was a massive factor in dumping Clinton, but lets not forget the actual scandals either.

it is no surprise that post election, the Clinton foundations donations are dying up as big donors (including countries like Australia, Italy & Norway) pull out after her loss.

and just so folk don't rush to the accusation i read to much "Fake News" here is a piece from CNBC:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/19/clinton-foundation-seen-at-a-crossroads-after-hillary-clintons-dashed-white-house-dreams.html

yeah this network:

th?id=OIP.M78be76d46f735b0bd2c4756be05f5

so yeah, "pay to play" mud seems to stick, rather than being...  just a conspiracy.

or that other conspiracy about Hilary's' health...

...

there were plenty of reasons for the shift.

12 hours ago, Jedy2 said:

This article tries to take a broader look on the mechanics of today's world than "Fuck Trump" or "Guardian's Lefties cry over Hilary".

Obviously its attempt failed.  

that article calls Trump a white supremacist...  that extreme and obvious jaded view underpins all points and tract taken in the piece.  yeah it failed hard.

PS: Trump is NOT a white supremacist.

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14 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

 

We should do more to teach about religion in school - otherwise we're promoting the religion of Atheism/Agnosticism.

 

Why do we waste time and money on religious "education"? If parents want to teach there kids about a 2000 year old, poorly written, fairystory then send the kids to Sunday classes or church groups or whatever. Don't waste time teaching this crap in schools when we could be actually educating instead.

13 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

 Anything that encroaches upon the First Amendment as badly as political correctness does deserves nothing but destruction.

Certainly wouldn't want to encroach on freedom of speech or the bill of rights in any way, that would be terrible. 

 

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18 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

 

We should do more to teach about religion in school - otherwise we're promoting the religion of Atheism/Agnosticism.

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And there would be no objections if the material covered was Islam

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1 hour ago, Almagnus1 said:

Why not teach them both?

There's actually a lot of good proverbs in the book of Proverbs that make sense to live by.  Also a lot of good information if you take the time to read it.

Because it takes time away from actual education and learning about things that actually exist. Morality and civility can be taught and encouraged without the need to refer to ancient texts,

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 Then again, that doesn't mesh with your agenda.

 

No agenda, I have no horse in this race, I just find the whole episode a bit sad and believe Trump to be an incompetent fool.

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18 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

Are you suggesting Islam isn't a religion?

The more you know about the world, the better you can integrate into it, especially as global as we are becoming.

Of course it is a religion.  My point was that there are a number of people in the US that would have a fit if their kids were taught all about Islam and even given a copy of the Koran to read.

Often when people say religion should be taught in school, they actually mean Christianity, or their denomination of Christianity, should be taught in school.

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37 minutes ago, Laurinaohtar said:

Because it takes time away from actual education and learning about things that actually exist. Morality and civility can be taught and encouraged without the need to refer to ancient texts,

 

Careful now, when it comes to religion, applying logic to a situation--even a practical one like public education--doesn't always work. :)

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