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It is dead then. It's as I feared....

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I didn't buy Mordor....I knew better.  But I did reinstall the client just to see if anything had changed for the better.  It has not.  It's worse.

SSG hasn't made any discernable improvements to LOTRO, they've simply introduced their own special brand of incompetence to the mix.  The crappy launch trailer,  a 40-dollar race that shouldn't even be in the game, the botched AOV tokens not being given to those who purchased the expansion, the abhorent avatar skins, the unequippable gear.  All that in itself is entirely unacceptable.  But coupled with the fact that Beornings are STILL in alpha development, Guardians and Loremasters STILL have core skills that haven't functioned in 3 years, landscape leveling is STILL a matter of pressing one button for 95 levels, and the downgraded datacenter move has resulted in increasingly worse latency, stuttering and rubberbanding in both landscape and solo instances, and that they just launched an overpriced expansion without even putting it through Quality Assurance first........I'm confident in saying what I already knew.  Lord of the Rings Online sucks, and it's not going to get better.

Cordovan and his team of cheerleaders won't listen to feedback outside of "you're doing a terrific job, thank you for all your hard work".  He won't even admit the Mordor launch trailer sucks.  That is unacceptable.  He's helped nurture a dwindling playerbase that is willing to be satisfied with a subpar product, and to vehemently defend said subpar product and attack anyone who would dare offer criticism against such a mediocre effort.  That is who plays LOTRO now, a bunch of yes-men and yes-women who log in and promptly stick their heads in the sand.  In 2007, LOTRO was a really good game.  Today, it is the absolute worst MMO I've ever played.  That's sad, and I hate I wasted all that money holding out hope that it would eventually get back on its feet and improve.  But it didn't.

Now more than ever, I eagerly await the day that LOTRO goes offline for good.  Tolkien fans deserve a better MMO, and it deserves a better software developer to bring it to life.  Despite the new content and "improvements" churned out by SSG/Turbine interns and outsourced freelancers, LOTRO is in maintenance mode.  I've uninstalled the client, for the final time.  I'm more than ready to let it go, and I encourage everyone else who is disillusioned with the overwhelming level of incompetence of SSG/Turbine to do the same.  Stop subbing.  Stop buying cash shop points.  Stop buying over-priced expansions.  Stop letting these people suck at their jobs.

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18 minutes ago, psalm8818 said:

I didn't buy Mordor....I knew better.  But I did reinstall the client just to see if anything had changed for the better.  It has not.  It's worse.

SSG hasn't made any discernable improvements to LOTRO, they've simply introduced their own special brand of incompetence to the mix.  The crappy launch trailer,  a 40-dollar race that shouldn't even be in the game, the botched AOV tokens not being given to those who purchased the expansion, the abhorent avatar skins, the unequippable gear.  All that in itself is entirely unacceptable.  But coupled with the fact that Beornings are STILL in alpha development, Guardians and Loremasters STILL have core skills that haven't functioned in 3 years, landscape leveling is STILL a matter of pressing one button for 95 levels, and the downgraded datacenter move has resulted in increasingly worse latency, stuttering and rubberbanding in both landscape and solo instances, and that they just launched an overpriced expansion without even putting it through Quality Assurance first........I'm confident in saying what I already knew.  Lord of the Rings Online sucks, and it's not going to get better.

Cordovan and his team of cheerleaders won't listen to feedback outside of "you're doing a terrific job, thank you for all your hard work".  He won't even admit the Mordor launch trailer sucks.  That is unacceptable.  He's helped nurture a dwindling playerbase that is willing to be satisfied with a subpar product, and to vehemently defend said subpar product and attack anyone who would dare offer criticism against such a mediocre effort.  That is who plays LOTRO now, a bunch of yes-men and yes-women who log in and promptly stick their heads in the sand.  In 2007, LOTRO was a really good game.  Today, it is the absolute worst MMO I've ever played.  That's sad, and I hate I wasted all that money holding out hope that it would eventually get back on its feet and improve.  But it didn't.

Now more than ever, I eagerly await the day that LOTRO goes offline for good.  Tolkien fans deserve a better MMO, and it deserves a better software developer to bring it to life.  Despite the new content and "improvements" churned out by SSG/Turbine interns and outsourced freelancers, LOTRO is in maintenance mode.  I've uninstalled the client, for the final time.  I'm more than ready to let it go, and I encourage everyone else who is disillusioned with the overwhelming level of incompetence of SSG/Turbine to do the same.  Stop subbing.  Stop buying cash shop points.  Stop buying over-priced expansions.  Stop letting these people suck at their jobs.

I've done the first three, and I think the last one is just gonna keep happening till the game shuts down.

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When the game went f2p, there were quite a few posters on the OF who would write 'you will not recognize the game when they are done with it, everything will be pushed by the store'. It has turned out worse than I ever expected.

I will play as long as the game stays open, without spending a penny. I will play the game my way and enjoy it, which means that I will only do stuff that I like. I keep playing because I have tried other games and don't like them, and because I have enough acounts, toons, kins, and houses that always give me something to do.

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I stopped giving them my money a long time ago. We are definitely not the only ones, seeing as they made it impossible to get Mordor with LP at Launch. With that move they showed without the shadow of a doubt, that things are worse than they've ever been for them financially. High elves being locked behind an extra 40 $ paywall, another sign of the times. On the plus side, there still seem to be a huge amount of whales who see nothing wrong with the way things are running down, so I could see it going on for a few more years. When it finally does go down there is no doubt in my mind that we will get a 1 month warning before the sunset and it's all she wrote... There will be a whole bunch of very disappointed people who've 'never saw it coming' 

 

I for one have no issue with waiting for Mordor until winter, seeing as there isn't even a raid/instance cluster available at the moment, and Mordor being in really bad shape only means that I get to enjoy the game in a more finished state! And I'll take a  hard pass on High Elves! All things considered, I don't see my time and money as a bad investment at all. I started playing when Moria came out, and I always enjoyed my time. Of course, it always kind of sucks to see such potential go to waste, and to see a product go through so many detrimental changes over time, but I did play EQ before LotRO so I guess I have developed a thick skin when it comes to getting disappointed by MMO development.

 

 

 

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Aye, with the exception of maybe WoW (and that's debatable, I suppose; implementing cross realm zones so they wouldn't have to admit they were bleeding subs to avoid consolidating servers comes to mind), just about every MMO gets worse as the developers start making changes that exactly no one asked for; and ironically, most of them being "making the game more WoW-like".  I think at this point, any game that's NOT WoW-like is a huge selling point.  Of course, the Pay-to-Win stores, the Free-to-Play business model, and "cosmetics > gameplay" bloat haven't helped much either.

And factor in the change in humanity since MMOs became popular; just a bunch of jaded, rude, selfish and self-entitled sociopaths with no regard for anyone but themselves.  I know a lot of you believe that's how gamers have always been, but it just wasn't like that back in 1999 when Everquest launched.  People went out of their way to be courteous and helpful back them.  Today, I can count on one hand the number of people I've grouped with who would even consider saying "thank you" or "please" or "I promise I won't spit in your food".  Maybe it's no wonder the gameplay of LOTRO has turned into such a shitshow.....it parallels its playerbase in many ways. /shrug.

Whatever.  I'm done.  And you know what?  I'm glad.  I've still got the books.  I've still got some old computer games based off The Hobbit and LOTR.  Shadow of War is coming out soon.  I can still play Lord of the Rings if I want to.  I just won't be playing it with gormless morons is all.

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Well, the focus on cosmetics could be a good one for a game like lotro, since games with a good background story attract more RP-ers and I think those are willing to spend more money on cosmetics/horses etc.

But changing a subscription game to a F2P game is always a bad sign.

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I'd be really pissed if I spent $80 or more to get the High Elf and found out that Eogar at Hengstacer's won't sell you a starter horse because you aren't a dwarf, hobbit, elf, or man.  Cash grab FTW! 

They put level limits on old armour sets too, and people are really pissed at not being able to wear them as they level.  Incredibly stupid implementation, given how quickly you level up nowadays.

I'm getting all my LOTRO entertainment from reading the forums.  The usual suspects (especially Mar-yadadadada) are out trying to defend it, and getting slapped around by even normally mild-mannered posters.

Thanks, SSG!  d;)b

 

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1 hour ago, warspeech said:

I'd be really pissed if I spent $80 or more to get the High Elf and found out that Eogar at Hengstacer's won't sell you a starter horse because you aren't a dwarf, hobbit, elf, or man.  Cash grab FTW! 

They put level limits on old armour sets too, and people are really pissed at not being able to wear them as they level.  Incredibly stupid implementation, given how quickly you level up nowadays.

I'm getting all my LOTRO entertainment from reading the forums.  The usual suspects (especially Mar-yadadadada) are out trying to defend it, and getting slapped around by even normally mild-mannered posters.

Thanks, SSG!  d;)b

 

Leveling is not quickly, it's quite grindy and boring same old generic quests.

But I agree about the rest :)

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If you ignore the trailer (I mean, wow)...if you ignore just about every PR disaster that led up to this expansion (the bundles, the high elf, etc.)...if you ignore how dreadfully awful they ended the epic story (cinematics, etc.) and I admit, that is a lot to ignore...questing in Mordor is, dare I say it...fun.  So far.  It's probably mostly due to the increased difficulty.  It's still the same old type of quests, but it probably seems fun because it's a departure from what we've had for a few years now.

 

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1 hour ago, Almagnus1 said:

How well does it hold up if you have experience with other MMOs?

It doesn't.  FFXIV, WoW, and GW2 they all have a polish and consistency in game performance that LotRO probably will never have.  While I'm enjoying the increased difficulty, I don't think I'll last long--as the story is really lacking.  How they set up the bad guy(s) to replace Sauron is pretty generic and if I'm honest, lame.  I'll be surprised if I stick around to hit level 110 to unlock the Allegiance system which I've heard is yet another grind on top of another grind.  We'll see.

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1 hour ago, Trisswyn said:

I can't ignore the androgynous running animation in female elves. I suppose that is how Amorey runs irl because, of course, she likes it.

That's assuming she can run. For all we know, she's so plugged in to LotRO, she's gonna need some help from Morpheus.

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Just got permabanned on the official forums.

While I'm more than finished with LOTRO, and at this point I could care less, Cordovan can go fuck himself with a chainsaw.  So can Amorey, Mar-Cockholster, and every other Turbine shill.

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10 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

What got you permabanned?

Maybe they said this "Cordovan can go fuck himself with a chainsaw.  So can Amorey, Mar-Cockholster, and every other Turbine shill."

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The same thing that Cordovan always singles me out for.  Admonishing white knights with shitty attitudes, and calling out his little pets for trolling people with concerns and feedback.  Amorey chief among them.

Totally worth it though.  I just wish I could watch her nervous breakdown unfold when the game is cancelled.

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20 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

... Makes you wonder if she's not actually ERPing with Corodovan...

Isn't it hilarious that she doesn't give you guys a second thought.

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21 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

To a point, yes.

Methinks that SSG is in full lockdown mode and shooting all dissenting views on the official forums.

I'm not to sure about that.  Right now, they're getting it from all sides.  From the AoV, the expac prices, that shit trailer. etc, etc.

 

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Give it time.  By Sunday Cordovan will have removed all the feedback that doesn't say "Nice work, guys!".

The damage is done.  I hope the shareholders saw that trailer.  And I hope beyond hope this is the final straw.  

Of course now Cordovan can say "We did it, we got you to Mordor, now STFU".  I hope he never finds work again....

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3 hours ago, psalm8818 said:

Just got permabanned on the official forums.

While I'm more than finished with LOTRO, and at this point I could care less, Cordovan can go fuck himself with a chainsaw.  So can Amorey, Mar-Cockholster, and every other Turbine shill.

You scraped Cordovan's surface and you found He-who-must-not-be-named... (I read your last posts and none justify a permaban; not even a warning, considering what I've seen since he's CM). In the end, it was all hypocrisy.

When I look back to all the time I've spent in Lotro, I see all the good games I've missed. Maybe these morons are doing us a favor.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Trisswyn said:

You scraped Cordovan's surface and you found He-who-must-not-be-named... (I read your last posts and none justify a permaban; not even a warning, considering what I've seen since he's CM). In the end, it was all hypocrisy.

When I look back to all the time I've spent in Lotro, I see all the good games I've missed. Maybe these morons are doing us a favor.

 

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The only thing I ever posted that even warranted a warning was when I lost my cool and told him he could stick his infractions up his overpaid ass, and I think that was back last October, right about the time he showed up on these forums trying to be all Eddie Haskell.  More than likely the ban is in response for what I posted HERE rather than there......something that Cordovan is NOT supposed to be doing.

What happened on the OF was the same thing that has happened since Cordovan took over.  I call out people like Amorey who are replying to posts with "This thread should be deleted" because it's not gushing praise for LOTRO,  or Turbine or Cordovan, or even more commonly responses like "If you don't like it, then leave". Amorey, Hurin and Mar-Cockmaster are notorius for that shit, and they're the ones spamming the report button on anyone who calls them out for it.  And Amorey has her head so far up Cordovan's ass that he doles out infractions and/or bans to whomever she and her cohorts report.  I said a week ago that Cordovan was just as bad as Sapience for that shit, and I stand by it.  And frankly, I hope Amorey chokes on Cordovan's small intestines.

Now I'm going to cool it, because that bitch isn't worth getting banned here as well.  That said, Amorey and Cordovan can BOTH rot in Hell. 

 

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7 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

To be fair, Cordovan's from the DDO side of the house as DDO is the real money maker for SSG... NOT LotRO, so Cordovan is doing something he really doesn't like doing (which shows).  I mean, when you get handed a pile of shit that Turbine created when Sapience did stupidity, Frelorn, frankly, wasn't equipped for, and Cordovan is starting to get banhappy just to get through it, I can see where he's coming from.

That said, banning dissension only shows your product to be inferior because you can't handle the flames.  I mean, look at Battle.net and LoL forums to see that games can be stupidly profitable and have forums that are utter cesspools.  So the banning really isn't warranted IMO.

Getting back to DDO, it has had the following updates THIS YEAR:

And most of those are fairly substantial for DDO.

It's clear where SSG's priorities are, and they aren't on LotRO.  Mordor proved this.

it's overwhelming the amount and frequency.

But I think the main reason why DDO gets more focus is cause SSG knows the player base of Lotro will go easy on them and is more loyal to the brand Lotro.

If people paid 130$ for that bunch of crap, it show you how easy it is to satisfy this crowd.

Maybe I'm wrong  I never played ddo or entered their forums, so it base only on my feelings/thoughts.

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18 hours ago, Papi said:

If you ignore the trailer (I mean, wow)...if you ignore just about every PR disaster that led up to this expansion (the bundles, the high elf, etc.)...if you ignore how dreadfully awful they ended the epic story (cinematics, etc.) and I admit, that is a lot to ignore...questing in Mordor is, dare I say it...fun.  So far.  It's probably mostly due to the increased difficulty.  It's still the same old type of quests, but it probably seems fun because it's a departure from what we've had for a few years now.

 

Yes!

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