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20 minutes ago, MueR said:

The EU does not want a Brexit. Britain doesn't want a Brexit (unless you count the gullible idiots who fell for Boris' lies).

Not just Boris' lies.  Farage had more than his fair share

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1 minute ago, cossieuk said:

Not just Boris' lies.  Farage had more than his fair share

Well, yes, but I thought I would leave out the insanely crazy for just the mildly "whatever the actual fuck are you talking about?".

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2 hours ago, MueR said:

The EU does not want a Brexit. Britain doesn't want a Brexit (unless you count the gullible idiots who fell for Boris' lies).

I want Brexit, and my stance was nothing to do with either Boris or Farage.

Edit: And, frankly, I'm pretty fucking tired of hearing that sort of bollocks. That people who voted leave were tricked, or didn't know what they were voting for, or were racist, or whatever other pejorative needed to dismiss legitimate rejection of the EU. It isn't some ridiculous case of moral righteousness vs insular ignorance as the propaganda machine constantly puts out. One side isn't better than the other, they just hold different points to different weights. I don't begrudge people who voted remain their choice to do so, but I sure as hell despise both the demonising of those that voted to leave, and the attempts to pretend like the winning side never won in the first place.

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So we are going to have an election and most likely at the end of another hung parliament and still no change on Brexit.  Then it will be a Christmas recess so nothing will happen before January.  

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The Conservative party has to win an election and secure a sizeable majority to deliver Johnson's version of Brexit. All the various opposition parties have to do is deny them this. Then there's the potential for a coalition of other parties and possibly scope for a second referendum, for those invested in such a thing. As ever it will be all about targeting marginal seats. So overall this is not an equitable fight. Different parties have different objectives.

The MP in my constituency, James Brokenshire, has a 15,000 strong majority. It is a safe Tory seat. He can theoretically afford to lose 5,000 or more votes to the Brexit party and not worry. However, Amber Rudd down in Hastings is hanging on by 346 votes. I'm sure we all can think of similar examples in other parts of the UK. These seats hold the key to the election. However, the biggest impediment to UK democracy, is the First Past The Post voting system which doesn't reflect the fact that politics is no longer driven by two major parties. 

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On 10/28/2019 at 5:09 PM, Doro said:

Edit: And, frankly, I'm pretty fucking tired of hearing that sort of bollocks. That people who voted leave were tricked, or didn't know what they were voting for, or were racist, or whatever other pejorative needed to dismiss legitimate rejection of the EU. It isn't some ridiculous case of moral righteousness vs insular ignorance as the propaganda machine constantly puts out. One side isn't better than the other, they just hold different points to different weights. I don't begrudge people who voted remain their choice to do so, but I sure as hell despise both the demonising of those that voted to leave, and the attempts to pretend like the winning side never won in the first place.

Amusing that the exact same thing happens to the Republicans in the US.....

 

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The FPTP system can create very strange results this time, especially with the Brexit Party as an uncertain factor; If they go all in with "we CAN deliver" they eat away votes from tories mostly

When I look up a recent poll, these are the percentages:

Conservative: 36%
Labour: 23%
LibDem: 18%
Brexit Party: 12%
Green: 6%
Other: 6%

If brexit party grows with 10/15% it can be anything as a result

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9 hours ago, Thrabath said:

The FPTP system can create very strange results this time, especially with the Brexit Party as an uncertain factor; If they go all in with "we CAN deliver" they eat away votes from tories mostly

When I look up a recent poll, these are the percentages:

Conservative: 36%
Labour: 23%
LibDem: 18%
Brexit Party: 12%
Green: 6%
Other: 6%

If brexit party grows with 10/15% it can be anything as a result

Not sure how good the polls will be this time.  The Lid Dems, Greens and Plaid Cymru will most likely not stand against each other where one of them has a good change of winning.  They did this at the last by election and it worked.  Well Labour wont do this, it would make sense for supports of anti brexit parties to vote tactically in marginal seats to make sure the Tories dont get a majority.  Also in some of the marginal seats the Brexit party could cost the Tories the seat by splitting the Brexit vote, will be interesting to see if the stand in Tory marginal areas

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Bojo 2: Back in the Habit

Corbyn's ridiculous socialism and Swinson's complete rejection of the will of the people really played into the hands of the Tories. While it's nice that Brexit will finally happen, the absolute meltdown from those in their social media bubbles has been so fucking delicious. The rhetoric of an apocalypse run by rich racists who hate homeless babies inhabiting the NHS is hilarious. They don't seem to understand that their views might be as blinkered as their predictions of the election, all thanks to their constant wallowing in toxic echo chambers.

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9 hours ago, Doro said:

Bojo 2: Back in the Habit

... While it's nice that Brexit will finally happen, the absolute meltdown from those in their social media bubbles has been so fucking delicious....

Happy that you are happy. 

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What does it all mean? I'm only one person and can only read so much in a day. Seeing how my country is ready to kill each other off, I find my reading time is consumed by that.

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10 hours ago, Splay said:

What does it all mean? I'm only one person and can only read so much in a day. Seeing how my country is ready to kill each other off, I find my reading time is consumed by that.

Boris Johnson (the Conservative party) won with a landslide, which means the transition on leaving the EU can properly start for the UK. No more politicians blocking it, or trying to overturn it, or dithering about another referendum. The will of the people has been clarified, and the very vocal snowflakes on social media are having a meltdown over it, acting like it's the end of the world and throwing insults left right and centre. Both leaders of the Labour and Liberal Democrat parties are out on their arses (Swinson for Lib Dems lost her seat in the election, and Corbyn is dragging out his resignation but it's inevitable at this point), which means we might be getting a shake up of politics for the next election in 2024.

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On 12/13/2019 at 11:30 PM, Splay said:

What does it all mean? 

It's simple.

After "a stunning victory for the bullshit-industrial complex" everyone gets what they deserve. A silly cow and a "stick-up-his-ass" dinosaur trockyist get their sack.  Britain gets their own pathological liar (a slightly more endearing and intelligent version of Trump) as leader. Much to Doro's delight snowlakes melt, and Great Britain gets its own Catalonia. *

*And no, it does not mean that Celtic becomes Barcelona. 

 

P.S. Can I place a bet here, that Great Britain will be no more in 2030?

 

 

 

Edited ;

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/13/opinion/uk-election-trump-2020.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

 

 

Boris Johnson and the Coming Trump Victory in 2020

 

In the depressed provinces of institutionalized precariousness, workers embraced an old Etonian mouthing about unleashed British potential. Not a million miles from blue-collar heartland Democrats migrating to Trump the millionaire and America First demagogy.

...

The clear rejection of Labour’s big-government socialism also looks ominous for Democrats who believe the party can lurch left and win. The British working class did not buy nationalized railways, electricity distribution and water utilities when they could stick it to some faceless bureaucrat in Brussels and — in that phrase as immortal as it is meaningless — take back their country.

 

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