Jump to content
LOTROCommunity
Sign in to follow this  
Doro

US Elections 2020

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, Almagnus1 said:

And now we wait the three dumbasses (Splay, Amenhir, and Papi) to do their usual Olympic level mental gymanstics for how what's a non-issue should lead to Trump's impeachment.

Is this an invitation to endure your Banal faggotry? If you haven't noticed it's because your face is in TimIgottawearahattobecool's anus, I haven't said anything about the impeachment. I posted a link to a video and it went completely over your head about what it meant in context of my post. Comfuckinpletely over your head.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
53 minutes ago, LasraelLarson said:

"I will say we do a lot for the Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. A lot more than the European Countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you...

... the United States has been very good to the Ukraine. i wouldn't say that its reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to the Ukraine."

 

"I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.  I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine,  they say Crowdstrike...  I guess you have one of your wealthy people...  the server, they say the Ukraine has it.  There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation.  I think your surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like to get to the bottom of it.  As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with the Ukraine.  Whatever you can do, it is very important that you do it if that's possible."

 

"...  I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair.  A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved.  Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man.  He was the Mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him  to call you.  I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.  Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy...

...There's a lot of talk about Biden's son,  that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.  Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you could look into it...  It sounds horrible to me."

 

"... I will have Mr. Giuliani give you a call and I am also going to have Attorney General Barr call and we will get to the bottom of it.  I am sure you will figure it out.  I heard the prosecutor was treated very badly and he was a very fair prosecutor so good luck with everything..."

SOURCE: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uyWKAGgHIqDEORgjOyo0uq7JOXzhxOQf/view

 

"I believe you are correct about the Presidents intentions.  The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo's of any kind.  The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign..."

SOURCE: https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_cache/files/a/4/a4a91fab-99cd-4eb9-9c6c-ec1c586494b9/621801458E982E9903839ABC7404A917.chairmen-letter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf

...

no aid linked to an investigation mentioned.  that bit comes from Politico.  the withholding aid bit, not the investigation link:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/trump-ukraine-military-aid-russia-1689531

so unless you are aware of other texts than these...   no quid pro quo's of any kind.

 

pity those government organizations (and the media of that time) weren't as galvanized for John Kerry & Joe Biden.  times change.

as for Trump;  I hope he continues unconventional approaches including honey pots and canary traps of which this whole episode has the whiff of.   cause when "Teflon Don" wins in 2020...  they'll still say be calling him an idiot and the walls are closing in, as they scream at the sky.

also investigation is only the search for proof/evidence.   in this case however, it is more like an non stop fishing expedition hoping something will finally pay off.  maybe this will be the time it works...  👌

So nice of you to cherry pick that summary you ignorant asshole.

 

President Zelenskyy: Yes you are absolutely right. Not only 100%, but actually 1000% and I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet with her I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. Much more than the European Union especially when we are talking about sanctions against the Russian Federation. I would also like to thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost. ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.
The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.
President Zelenskyy: Yes it is very important for me and everything that you just mentioned earlier. For me as a President, it is very important and we are open for any future cooperation. We are ready to open a new page on cooperation in relations between the United States and Ukraine. For that purpose, I just recalled our ambassador from United States and he will be replaced by a very competent and very experienced ambassador who will work hard on making sure that our two nations are getting closer. I would also like and hope to see him having your trust and your confidence and have personal relations with you so we can cooperate even more so. I will personally tell you that one of my assistants spoke with Mr. Giuliani just recently and we are hoping very much that Mr. Giuliani will be able to travel to Ukraine and we will meet once he comes to Ukraine. I just wanted to assure you once again that you have nobody but friends around us. I will make sure that I surround myself with the best and most experienced people. I also wanted to tell you that we are friends. We are great friends and you Mr. President have friends in our country so we can continue our strategic partnership. I also plan to surround myself with great people and in addition to that investigation, I guarantee as the President of Ukraine that all the investigations will be done openly and candidly.. That I can assure you.
The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Papi said:

It's become pretty clear that Trump (and his team) know he fucked up with the Ukraine call.  His appearance on TV (boldly bringing China into the mix) is his way of normalizing his unethical behavior.  You normalize it enough, his followers (i.e. Almagnus) will eventually defend behavior they would normally find abhorrent if anyone else but him was doing it.  At this point, it's the only trick he has left.  And it may work.

if you think i am aiming for normal, you have missed the plot.  this isn't normal.  it may never be normal again.

that pleases me.

also if you think i am defending...  again, no.  but then i think it was Trump who gave Rachel Maddow that tax return and also that before he grabbed them by the pussy...  he took her shopping for furniture, but she, "SHUT HIM DOWN..."  he also made fun of a waffling disabled reporter.

a flawed man who just happens to provide a decent train-wreck.  until a better option presents itself, i'll continue to support.

 

32 minutes ago, Amenhir said:

So nice of you to cherry pick that summary you ignorant asshole.

i provided a link to the full transcripts you daft cunt.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, LasraelLarson said:

if you think i am aiming for normal, you have missed the plot.  this isn't normal.  it may never be normal again.

that pleases me.

also if you think i am defending...  again, no.  but then i think it was Trump who gave Rachel Maddow that tax return and also that before he grabbed them by the pussy...  he took her shopping for furniture, but she, "SHUT HIM DOWN..."  he also made fun of a waffling disabled reporter.

a flawed man who just happens to provide a decent train-wreck.  until a better option presents itself, i'll continue to support.

 

i provided a link to the full transcripts you daft cunt.

I think you should stay in the great white north and worry about your own country's leadership issues.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Splay said:

Is this an invitation to endure your Banal faggotry? If you haven't noticed it's because your face is in TimIgottawearahattobecool's anus, I haven't said anything about the impeachment. I posted a link to a video and it went completely over your head about what it meant in context of my post. Comfuckinpletely over your head.

 

Way to be homophobic..... 

4 minutes ago, Amenhir said:

I think you should stay in the great white north and worry about your own country's leadership issues.  

Translation: STOP PWNING ME!!!!!!!!! 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Almagnus1 said:

Way to be homophobic.....

Keep trying. You'll get there someday. 😏

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
13 minutes ago, Splay said:

Keep trying. You'll get there someday. 😏

What, by following your example?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

What, by following your example?

I don't see you leading so...

At least you know your station in life. 🐑

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This thread amuses me. Not enough to contribute a wall of text though. It appears the most Trump deranged posters here seem to believe that a US citizen gets a free pass to commit a crime in any country as long as they claim to be running for US president in an election that's more than a year away.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 hours ago, Splay said:

I don't see you leading so...

At least you know your station in life. 🐑

Unfortunately, you're too stupid for independent thought, so 🐑 definitely describes you.  Then again, I guess that's why you keep puking up the Democratic platform... even though it makes little actual sense.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Times have changed. No way would I believe that after four years of pathological lies, insults, corruption, hate speard, people like Trump or PIS (ruling in Poland) would not be swept from office, never mind get even a miediocre chance of re-election...

Oh wait,  in a week's time we have an election inPoland which PIS is likely to win easily... :(

I still don't get the mechanism of this shit... Looks like stirring up hatred, fear, having a decent economy and a church on your side makes one immune to scandals which would have wiped off the face of the Earth any traditional political force. 

 

 

P.S. - This should be available, and explains a lot :(

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/05/opinion/sunday/putin-trump-ukraine.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Jedy2 said:

I still don't get the mechanism of this shit... Looks like stirring up hatred, fear, having a decent economy and a church on your side makes one immune to scandals which would have wiped off the face of the Earth any traditional political force.

It's not that politicians stir up hatred and fear (that works only with the far-right, just like SJW shit works only with the far-left), it's that people hold certain beliefs or feelings and they're tired of seeing the "left" side belittle or completely ignore that. Constantly being patronised or demonised by a political side that think it has a moral high-ground results in people even in the centre being driven to the option that isn't opposing them or dismissing them for the sake of arbitrary minority group point scoring. It's a backlash to the current agenda, and if that agenda eventually changes and becomes more right-wing, there'll be a backlash the other way, too.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

@Doro

There is no "left" left ;) in Poland, even though all the "lefts" combined now  will get around 10% of the vote.  Society is malleable - before the anti-immigrant hysteria whipped up by PIS 70% of Poles thought we should invite and help the refugeees. Now 70% are scared by the (non-existent) alien  invasion. The current "Enemy of the People" in Poland is the "LGBT ideology" threathening the essence of our nation.  So please... Looking for a cabin in the woods... With broadband... 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Jedy2 said:

The current "Enemy of the People" in Poland is the "LGBT ideology" threathening the essence of our nation.

I know you said it in jest, but it's actually a valid concern (though not the biggest issue). The whole LGBT ideology thing is built on concepts and premises that don't line up with a logical, solid society. It's gone beyond the idea of gays having the same rights regardless of what they do as consenting adults behind closed doors, to a very strange, self-contradicting movement hell-bent on manipulating others. Tying up body dysmorphia with sexuality was an odd choice and I'm surprised so many gays went along with that considering the implications. The promotion of extreme drag queen stuff at libraries for children is mind-blowing that anyone thought that was appropriate. The whole pride parades being used as an excuse for indecent exposure and degenerate behaviour, completely undermining the legitimate message that "love is love". Some aspects weren't even about equality but instead on attempting to control the words of other people. It needs an overhaul so that the respectful elements of the "gay community" aren't tarred with the same brush as the delusional almost fascistic usurpers that are pushing it so hard in the West lately. Poland would do well to avoid falling for the so-called progressive movement for now, as it's less now about progression and more about undermining social cohesion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Doro said:

Poland would do well to avoid falling for the so-called progressive movement for now, as it's less now about progression and more about undermining social cohesion.

Mate, as a proper Pole, I'm all against fags. ;) But I draw the line when silly "Love Parades" are being attacked by National-Catholic-Socialist hoodlums with baseball bats, and Warsaw (razed to the ground by Hitler) hosts 100 K strong parades of neo-nazis, with Poland's president in front. 

I'm no leftie, but you underestimate the dangers of right-wing populism. When the new genaration of simpletons -  Poles educated in Nat-Cat-Soc schools, TV, and churches hit the streets, my cabin in the woods may not be far ehough. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Jedy2 said:

Mate, as a proper Pole, I'm all against fags. ;) But I draw the line when silly "Love Parades" are being attacked by National-Catholic-Socialist hoodlums with baseball bats, and Warsaw (razed to the ground by Hitler) hosts 100 K strong parades of neo-nazis, with Poland's president in front. 

I'm no leftie, but you underestimate the dangers of right-wing populism. When the new genaration of simpletons -  Poles educated in Nat-Cat-Soc schools, TV, and churches hit the streets, my cabin in the woods may not be far ehough. 

I find it odd that neo-Nazis would spring up in Poland, all things considered. You'd think being invaded by them, they'd not want an association, it's almost like a betrayal. Then again, I'd say that's how far pushing to the left creates a backlash to go further right in response. With Poland already being right-leaning, a foreign ideology (which, let's face it, the current SJW agenda is mostly exported from the US) coming with the same demands as if it were in a left-leaning nation, it's going to tip the balance further into the right in response. The swinging of the political pendulum doesn't need much to gain momentum in either direction.

You're right, there's a huge danger of far-right ideology, we've seen that before, however I only suggest that the threat from the left is greater in the modern world because it seems so many are ignoring the warning signs that we've not encountered before. You can spot far-right advances a mile away (as long as silly people aren't constantly trying to water down the term by suggesting everything they dislike is Nazism), but far-left in its current form is more insidious. The more suspicious and conspiratorial side of me thinks it's all part of the plan, to try to goad a potential far-right response again in order to install a permanent far-left regime afterwards under the guise of moral responsibility to prevent further right-wing atrocities.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It is in debates like that that I find the differences in societies staggering. I had to google up the SJW thinggy, still can't seem to understand what is it all about. I would like to reduce your trust in pendulums and swings - they work in stable political times. Nowadays, I'd bet on the swing to the right firing off into space, especially if another wave of climate refugees from Africa hits Europe. Nation. God. Social transfers. A LEADER to save us all from The Evil of Whatever. 

Will be happy if proven wrong. Honestly. But if creatures Trump-like flourish, can't be more than a Dwarven Realist. :(

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I freely admit there is a dark underbelly to gay culture--what people would call "degenerate" and "indecent"--but that comes as a result of being forced "underground" to hide for decades, to feel so ashamed of who and what you are by society.  These days those elements aren't so prominent at Pride parades (i.e. the leather daddies and S&M boys) but yes, they are still there...because it's a small part of our history and culture.  Mostly, you'll see members of the local community coming together (businesses, police and fire department, even churches) to show their support and that's about it.  Oh and there is lots of food.  But, if you only see what the media shows you--and of course, they are going to try and sensationalize it--or you are coming at it from a biased perspective already--then you really don't know what is going on or what it's about.  

There are certain aspects of being gay that a straight person will never understand.  Hell, even the younger generation of gays would be shocked to hear some of the stories that gay people went through only 30-60 years ago.  There is no LGBT "ideology."   The majority of gay people simply want the fact that they are gay to be a non-issue.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Papi said:

 The majority of gay people simply want the fact that they are gay to be a non-issue.

 

Oh really ...

I guess when they want to force states to allow them to adopt children,or put put LGBT propaganda in schools that's also a non-issue ... for them .

Or organizing that moronic gay pride parades which in eastern Europe look like WW2 re-enactment battles with all the riots since nobody wants them parading other than couple hundred gays and EU ambassadors .

LGBT people today are hyper-aggressive drama queens and the more they try to push their thing in face of the rest of us,the more backlash they will receive .

They need to understand that just because they are gay - they are nothing special,nobody owes them anything ( including acceptance ),it's sad if they think their gayness is main thing that they have to give the world .

1 hour ago, Jedy2 said:

 

Calling Polish patriots who march celebrating independence day in Warsaw "nazis " is just dumb beyond words .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, ZaklanoSrce said:

I guess when they want to force states to allow them to adopt children,or put put LGBT propaganda in schools that's also a non-issue ... for them .

Or organizing that moronic gay pride parades which in eastern Europe look like WW2 re-enactment battles with all the riots since nobody wants them parading other than couple hundred gays and EU ambassadors .

LGBT people today are hyper-aggressive drama queens and the more they try to push their thing in face of the rest of us,the more backlash they will receive .

They need to understand that just because they are gay - they are nothing special,nobody owes them anything ( including acceptance ),it's sad if they think their gayness is main thing that they have to give the world .

 

I'd point out you're just making my case for me, but...it would probably be lost on you.

There would be no "forcing" states to allow adoption if gay people could adopt just like straight people.

There would be no riots if the homophobes just stayed at home.

The only thing hyper-aggressive is your response to my post.

We don't think we are "special" because we are gay.  But we do think you don't have the right to treat us like we are "less" because we are gay.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ah,there it is " We the gays " .

It's not normal for gays to adopt children because children need normal nuclear families ... not daddy's and daddy's or mommy's and mommy's .

I won't even go into statistics of children abuse in gay adoptions which is through the roof .

There would be no riots if you people don't force your parades on people who don't wont them .

No means no .

I miss good old times when homosexuality was classified as mental illness .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, ZaklanoSrce said:

Ah,there it is " We the gays " .

It's not normal for gays to adopt children because children need normal nuclear families ... not daddy's and daddy's or mommy's and mommy's .

I won't even go into statistics of children abuse in gay adoptions which is through the roof .

There would be no riots if you people don't force your parades on people who don't wont them .

I miss good old times when homosexuality was classified as mental illness .

Ah, there it is, good ole homophobia

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-are-children-better-off-with-a-mother-and-father-than-with-same-sex-parents-82313

"The majority of research on this topic shows that children or adolescents raised by same-sex parents fare equally as well as those raised by opposite-sex parents on a wide range of social, emotional, health and academic outcomes."

Please, share with us all these statistics where it shows abuse in gay adoptions is "through the roof".  

If you don't want to go to a gay pride parade, then don't go.  No one is forcing you.

I miss the the good old times when men weren't so fragile and scared of things they didn't understand.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, ZaklanoSrce said:

I miss good old times when homosexuality was classified as mental illness .

I still feel it should come under the umbrella of a mental disorder (as in it is literally the result of the mind not functioning as it should in regards to sexuality), however there's a tone coming across in this that makes me think you don't actually mean mental illness but more the early 20th century mad house electroshock mistreatment of difference. There's a spectrum of gays that goes from the all out flamers that need to exaggerate being gay to its limits, to completely "normal" gays who don't use their sexuality as a replacement for a personality. I've known enough of both to know that the latter are just as tired of the "queens" as everyone else. Much like amongst straight people, there are repulsive people that make a lot of noise that paints a bad light for the decent people lumped into their category. I don't think they should suffer for the actions of the degenerate lot.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Papi said:

  If you don't want to go to a gay pride parade, then don't go.  No one is forcing you.

They are forcing me when they block 2 million people city for 200 gays and lesbians to parade for couple hours.I don't go to gay parades,gay parades are forced upon me .

And LOL to that typical homo trolling " you are scared of us " or " you are secretly one of us " .

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, ZaklanoSrce said:

And LOL to that typical homo trolling " you are scared of us " or " you are secretly one of us " .

If it quacks like a duck...

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×