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Thinking out loud here. Places and events, motives and gains?

Middle East instability

Iraqi oil

Opec

Gold standard

Fracking industry

Horizontal wellbore

Texas oil

Putin nostalgia

Gazprom

European energy demand

Russian annex of Crimea

Ukraine

Burisma

Worldwide resource acquisition

World trade, investment, Wall Street.

Biden

Perry

Trump

 

There is a story to be told here. I know many pieces of this story are missing from my list.

The heart of this story is Ukrainian natural gas.

Big deals were made for Ukrainian natural gas. Not everyone was let in on the feast. Disgruntled players using American Democracy as the hammer and anvil. Everyone is expendable to reach the goal.

My list is very vague and spans 25 years. Coincidentally, so does the commercial expansion of Fracking in the United States and the current technology to implement it.

 

Doro, what you said about Trump and a tinfoil hat might have more to it than we know.

 

 

 

Oh the irony. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2019/11/11/after-push-from-energy-secretary-rick-perry-backers-got-huge-gas-deal-in-ukraine/

I was looking up the Energy Secretary to get his name right and this was atop the search list.

 

 

 

 

 

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So breaking down the impeachment, here's what I see going on:

  • Democrats have enough numbers to force through an impeachment without any Republican support.
  • Democrats see impeachment as key to their victory in 2020 because they lack confidence that their candidates could beat Trump otherwise
  • Democrats have enough control (due to their numbers) of all committees in question where they can vote down any motion to bring in a witness, cross examine one by a Republican, or show evidence that may counter their narrative
  • Democrats believe that the Trump/Ukraine quid pro quo is real, citing concerns of a sitting president investigating a presidential candiate
  • Republicans see it as a collaboration, as they site Ukraine wasn't aware of the quid pro
  • Republicans also site Biden doing exactly what Trump was accused of, except Biden used his office of VP to get his son a job in Ukraine
  • Republicans have also cited this entire impeachment thing is setting a bad precedent, as the Republicans are going to eventually do what they perceive the Democrats of doing to Trump to some future Democratic president somewhere down the line should the Democrats force through an impeachment

At this point, I'm honestly not sure we're going to find out what's actually going on as the Democrats have the numbers and motive to force through an impeachment based on their narrative, while the Republicans can do little to stop it... except from carrying out several monster filibusters to block.

5 hours ago, Splay said:

Choosing to be a conservative for the last 30 years is not my problem. I haven't forced anyone to do anything, let alone choose where they place themselves on the political spectrum. Honestly, its really weird to read that sentence. Democrat could as easily been replaced for the word Republican and others would see it as a valid expression. One step forward, two steps back.

Except the Democrats have the media backing them, as it keeps trying to push this insane conspiracy theory.  Last I checked, the actual "whistleblower" did not directly hear the phone call, rather read it in the New York Times... and then blew a whistle on it.  And if you tune into most of the corporate media, they've already "proven" Trump guilty of supposed quid-pro-quo... which is completely ironic considering that every single Democratic candidate wants to do the exact same thing with Israel.


It's almost as if this entire quid-pro-quo is just a tool in the foreign policy box, and people are mad here because Trump is investigating the Biden corruption angle....

5 hours ago, Splay said:

Which is, you have nothing more to say.

O RLY?

Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass, you'd see how wrong you are, and how wrong you've been.

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6 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

So breaking down the impeachment, here's what I see going on:

  • Democrats have enough numbers to force through an impeachment without any Republican support.
  • Democrats see impeachment as key to their victory in 2020 because they lack confidence that their candidates could beat Trump otherwise
  • Democrats have enough control (due to their numbers) of all committees in question where they can vote down any motion to bring in a witness, cross examine one by a Republican, or show evidence that may counter their narrative
  • Democrats believe that the Trump/Ukraine quid pro quo is real, citing concerns of a sitting president investigating a presidential candiate
  • Republicans see it as a collaboration, as they site Ukraine wasn't aware of the quid pro
  • Republicans also site Biden doing exactly what Trump was accused of, except Biden used his office of VP to get his son a job in Ukraine
  • Republicans have also cited this entire impeachment thing is setting a bad precedent, as the Republicans are going to eventually do what they perceive the Democrats of doing to Trump to some future Democratic president somewhere down the line should the Democrats force through an impeachment

At this point, I'm honestly not sure we're going to find out what's actually going on as the Democrats have the numbers and motive to force through an impeachment based on their narrative, while the Republicans can do little to stop it... except from carrying out several monster filibusters to block.

 

The Republicans already set a precedent when they voted to impeach Clinton for lying about a blow job, and/or telling other people to lie about said bj.  Trump isn't being impeached because the Democrats don't have the confidence they can win.  It's to set an example that no sitting President is allowed to do whatever he or she pleases.  If Trump continued without a consequence of any kind, then it will only get worse as future Presidents get more and more brazen.  You must have been born after 1998.  I remember the Starr report and all the crap that Republicans are now excusing on behalf of Trump.  It's the most blatant level of hypocrisy.  

Trump is dangerous and unfit to be President.  When Trump was elected I stupidly assumed that the people around him would temper his rhetoric and it would be another Republican President who created yet another recession.  I could live with that.  Trump waited one day after the Mueller report came out to start this Ukraine crap.  ONE DAY!  He felt empowered because jack shit happened to him.  In order to accept that Trump did nothing wrong, then you would have to assume that the whistleblower, the IG, the DNI, and everyone who has testified are lying.  I suppose that's possible from the lens of a total and complete moron. 

Public testimony will begin, more and more people will decide that Trump needs to go, and Republicans will start abandoning ship if they believe for one second it might cost them reelection.  The only reason they haven't yet is because of people like you.  People that bought such a monumental con job and don't have the balls to admit they made a mistake.  

Touting that you're voting for someone because it will piss off liberals makes you an idiot.  If your only agenda is to piss off half the country, then you and the rest of your kind can pack up and leave.  Unless Republicans change course their ability to get elected with be reduced to zero.  

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Republicans are just pissed a Democrat got into Ukraine to broker deals for natural gas before they did. That is what all this is about. Trump is a stooge, dumb enough to be a proxy for republican business investors. It just happens that the Ukrainian government can benefit from United States protection shielding off Putin from taking more of their country. Ukrainian leadership won't do anything to stop the money and protection from coming into their sovereignty. Basically Ukraine is parceling off their natural gas to the highest bidder as long as it isn't Putin. Trump using the office of President to remove all the obstacles including anyone who is perceived to be part of any deals which were already in progress. Using any means and excuse that fits the narrative. American businessmen sharpening their knives to carve up Ukraine. Throwing aside American Democracy to do it.

 

I'm pretty much done with this topic. I've seen the writing on the wall. The reasons why my country is interested in Ukraine. The reasons why our President has committed to actions and events. All of which will eventually tarnish my country. It is disgusting to watch businessmen cut each others throats and use my Democracy as the cutting board.

 

Though, I can't help but to wonder. What's in this for Trump? Perhaps if he succeeds, maybe the ultimate ego trip for him to tell himself. #I mattered

 

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3 minutes ago, Splay said:

Though, I can't help but to wonder. What's in this for Trump? Perhaps if he succeeds, maybe the ultimate ego trip for him to tell himself. #I mattered

 

Notoriety.  As a President of the United States...he will be part of our national history.  Forever.  Sadly.

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9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

The Republicans already set a precedent when they voted to impeach Clinton for lying about a blow job, and/or telling other people to lie about said bj.

There was also obstruction of justice, especially looking into other things (like Whitewater) and scandals (amusingly) mostly caused by HRC.

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Trump isn't being impeached because the Democrats don't have the confidence they can win.  It's to set an example that no sitting President is allowed to do whatever he or she pleases.  If Trump continued without a consequence of any kind, then it will only get worse as future Presidents get more and more brazen.

And that's a load of bullshit.

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

You must have been born after 1998.

Yes, 1982 is prior to 1998...

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

I remember the Starr report and all the crap that Republicans are now excusing on behalf of Trump.  It's the most blatant level of hypocrisy.  

It's really hazy to me (as most of that was in middle school at the time), but there's a very big difference in what's going on as the controversies for the Trump White House are caused by the Democrats, rather than the ones in the Clinton White House being caused by HRC.

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Trump is dangerous and unfit to be President.

And this only goes to show just how unhinged you are.

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

  When Trump was elected I stupidly assumed that the people around him would temper his rhetoric and it would be another Republican President who created yet another recession.  I could live with that.  Trump waited one day after the Mueller report came out to start this Ukraine crap.  ONE DAY!  He felt empowered because jack shit happened to him.  In order to accept that Trump did nothing wrong, then you would have to assume that the whistleblower, the IG, the DNI, and everyone who has testified are lying.  I suppose that's possible from the lens of a total and complete moron. 

 

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Public testimony will begin, more and more people will decide that Trump needs to go, and Republicans will start abandoning ship if they believe for one second it might cost them reelection.  The only reason they haven't yet is because of people like you.  People that bought such a monumental con job and don't have the balls to admit they made a mistake.  

It ain't over until it's over, and you really shouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Touting that you're voting for someone because it will piss off liberals makes you an idiot.

No, it's recognizing that ruffling some feathers can induce some much needed change.

9 hours ago, Amenhir said:

If your only agenda is to piss off half the country, then you and the rest of your kind can pack up and leave.

Same can be said for you and your ilk - especially the ones that keep saying they'll move to Canada.

3 hours ago, Splay said:

Trump is a stooge, dumb enough to be a proxy for republican business investors.

Kinda funny that they're recycling the same line they said about George Bush...  It's like this is the standard Democratic acknowledgement of a Republican President....

3 hours ago, Splay said:

It just happens that the Ukrainian government can benefit from United States protection shielding off Putin from taking more of their country. Ukrainian leadership won't do anything to stop the money and protection from coming into their sovereignty.

It's also justified because the Russians caused stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor .  I don't fault the Ukrainians at all for wanting to seek any edge to keep the Russians out.

3 hours ago, Splay said:

Basically Ukraine is parceling off their natural gas to the highest bidder as long as it isn't Putin. Trump using the office of President to remove all the obstacles including anyone who is perceived to be part of any deals which were already in progress. Using any means and excuse that fits the narrative. American businessmen sharpening their knives to carve up Ukraine.

So how about we talk about Biden now?

3 hours ago, Splay said:

I'm pretty much done with this topic.

No you're not.  You'll keep posting regardless.

3 hours ago, Splay said:

I've seen the writing on the wall. The reasons why my country is interested in Ukraine. The reasons why our President has committed to actions and events. All of which will eventually tarnish my country.

So you're saying stuff like the Indian removal act - pushed forward by Jackson (who was a proto-Democrat) didn't tarnish the US first?

We've got so much blood on our hands for what we did to our native populace, it's not even funny.  And yet.... Trump is somehow worse than our own crimes against humanity...  Really goes to show just how little perspective many of these loons have.

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I've heard the definition of insanity is trying the same thing multiple times and expecting a different outcome each time....

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/12/hillary-clinton-presidential-run-2020-000325

 

Can't edit the post or it will pull the names from the quote boxes, Correct link is: https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/12/hillary-clinton-presidential-run-2020-070318

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Even the New York Post is seeing through the BS that is this impeachment fiasco.

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https://nypost.com/2019/11/12/goodwin-trickster-adam-schiff-conjuring-guilt-out-of-thin-air/

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And in other news, Facebook is getting sued for censoring the whistleblower's name:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/facebook-sued-censoring-posts-naming-211503373.html

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1 hour ago, Almagnus1 said:

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Even the New York Post is seeing through the BS that is this impeachment fiasco.

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https://nypost.com/2019/11/12/goodwin-trickster-adam-schiff-conjuring-guilt-out-of-thin-air/

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And in other news, Facebook is getting sued for censoring the whistleblower's name:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/facebook-sued-censoring-posts-naming-211503373.html

Fake news.

54 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

And things take a turn for the weird...  Apparently the whistleblower is soliciting illicit donations.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/icig-complaint-ukraine-whistleblower

I'm starting to think this entire Impeachment thing is really one giant clown cluster....

Fake news.

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Why has Trump not tried to have Biden investigated before now, why wait until he is running to be the Democratic nominee for President.

Why did the Republicans not launch an investigation into Biden when they controlled the Senate

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3 minutes ago, cossieuk said:

Why has Trump not tried to have Biden investigated before now, why wait until he is running to be the Democratic nominee for President.

Why did the Republicans not launch an investigation into Biden when they controlled the Senate

The reason is that the whole Biden/Ukraine thing was a conspiracy theory and not anything anyone actually believed.  Trump is an idiot and easily fooled.  Guiliani ran around pushing this conspiracy theory and Trump bought it.  He was hoping that getting Ukraine to publicly state they were investigating the Bidens would have the same effect that the reopening of the Clinton email investigation had.  It kind of did.  Biden's standings in the polls have diminished since.

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16 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Fake news.

Fake news.

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6 hours ago, Amenhir said:

The reason is that the whole Biden/Ukraine thing was a conspiracy theory and not anything anyone actually believed.  Trump is an idiot and easily fooled.  Guiliani ran around pushing this conspiracy theory and Trump bought it.  He was hoping that getting Ukraine to publicly state they were investigating the Bidens would have the same effect that the reopening of the Clinton email investigation had.  It kind of did.  Biden's standings in the polls have diminished since.

Oh noes, it's not like dear old daddy abused the office of VP for Hunter Biden to get him a job he didn't deserve and get a Ukrainian official investigating these activities fired.

Oh wait... he did. https://www.wnd.com/2019/09/ukrainian-prosecutor-fired-investigating-hunter/

6 hours ago, cossieuk said:

Why has Trump not tried to have Biden investigated before now, why wait until he is running to be the Democratic nominee for President.

Why did the Republicans not launch an investigation into Biden when they controlled the Senate

Two very good questions.  I suspect that they were not answered prior to 2016 because of Biden being VP, and it may have taken this long for everything to come to light - but it definitely needs a deeper look into both the issue that it's pointing to and the timing as well.  IMO sunlight is the best disinfectant, so let's drag everything out into the light and see what we have.... rather than go off half cocked and proclaim someone guilty without due process.

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9 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

Oh noes, it's not like dear old daddy abused the office of VP for Hunter Biden to get him a job he didn't deserve and get a Ukrainian official investigating these activities fired.

Oh wait... he did. https://www.wnd.com/2019/09/ukrainian-prosecutor-fired-investigating-hunter/

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Except he didn't, and citing world net daily as your source is laughable.  The official WAS NOT investigating corruption.  That's why they wanted him gone.   The investigation into Burisma was dormant for well over a year before the US and other world leaders called for his removal.  It wasn't a unilateral effort to cover for Hunter Biden.  More importantly, if Biden had been engaging in illegal activity the Republican-controlled house and senate would have been all over that like stink on shit.

It doesn't really matter what anyone tells you.  You'll never change your mind.  Keep gargling Trump's nut butter.  When they have to haul him out of the White House I'm sure he'll thank you personally for your unquenchable love for him.  Oh wait... he won't.   

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25 minutes ago, Amenhir said:

It doesn't really matter what anyone tells you.  You'll never change your mind.  

This sums it up.  The Democrats know what happened and the motive behind it.  The Republicans know what happened and the motive behind it.  What we are seeing now is political theater meant to sway public opinion.  The Republicans are hoping that people are either just too stupid to see what is clearly obvious to anyone with intelligence...or that they are like Almagnus (i.e. willing to support Trump simply to fuck over more than half the population).

 

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5 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Except he didn't, and citing world net daily as your source is laughable.  The official WAS NOT investigating corruption.  That's why they wanted him gone.   The investigation into Burisma was dormant for well over a year before the US and other world leaders called for his removal.  It wasn't a unilateral effort to cover for Hunter Biden.

Everything (except the MSM) that I have seen indicates that this is not the case.  MSM is (generally speaking) pretty liberal so... I'm not surprised.

5 hours ago, Amenhir said:

More importantly, if Biden had been engaging in illegal activity the Republican-controlled house and senate would have been all over that like stink on shit.

This is a good point, however, it assumes that the Republicans were aware of it at the time (which they may not have been), or (more likely) the Republicans in senate were profiting from this as there are a bunch of them in Congress that are pretty anti-Trump to begin with.

5 hours ago, Amenhir said:

It doesn't really matter what anyone tells you.  You'll never change your mind.

Kinda funny what the hypocrite says, as this describes you to a T.

4 hours ago, Papi said:

The Democrats know what happened and the motive behind it.  The Republicans know what happened and the motive behind it.

Which is also the fundamental problem on why no one is meeting in the middle, both sides think their right, both sides think they have truth on their side, and truth cannot be subjective.

4 hours ago, Papi said:

The Republicans are hoping that people are either just too stupid to see what is clearly obvious to anyone with intelligence.

That would be the Democrats.

Shall we talk about how the Democrats run big cities, yet they still manage to keep the minorities in their cities oppressed and in ghettos?  Or what about those same cities basically reverting back to medieval standards of living?  It's almost as if they've figured out they can get a government revenue stream by creating a problem and not solving it....

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Or more to the point, this sums up the entire impeachment fiasco nicely:

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Bernie Squad reveals:

they'll never let Bernie have it, btw.  they being the money Donors pulling the strings.

 

also, the king has spoken:

Billionaire George Soros says Elizabeth Warren ‘is the most qualified to be president’

now the monkeys will dance:

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33 minutes ago, cossieuk said:

What is Trump doing tweeting about a witness who is testifying at the impeachment hearing.   

That same thing he does every day, take a mental shit on Twitter.

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And even more insanity from Warren... you don't push tax rates on the extremely wealthy to absurd (+100%) levels if you expect them to stay in your country.

This is how we get the wealthy to take their wealth and leave the US.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elizabeth-warrens-tax-plan-would-bring-rates-over-100-for-some-11573819200

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4 hours ago, cossieuk said:

What is Trump doing tweeting about a witness who is testifying at the impeachment hearing.   

[cough] Impeachment Inquiry *[/cough]

one that is now broadcast publicly & has yet to produce a single article of.

anyone can make commentary, its called freedom... not the fake kind you have in Britain, but actual freedom.

cry to the private company Twitter if it twists your panties that much.  maybe they will ban him...

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

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So reading more into what's going on with Roger Stone, the following quote from https://apnews.com/ad355d2c983e4a7c85bc17e86d8c563f raises a eyebrow:

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Stone has denied wrongdoing and consistently criticized the case against him as politically motivated. He did not take the stand during the trial and his lawyers did not call any witnesses in his defense.

At this point, the first sentence (included for context) is a given, the bolded part is what I find odd.  It's almost as if Stone wanted this outcome...

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And with this entire Democratic primary fiasco expected to go on until summer ( https://www.thehour.com/news/article/Democrats-fear-a-long-primary-slog-could-drag-14841782.php ), I'm suspecting the Democrat candidate is going to have so much stuff dug up in the primary that all Trump needs to do is recycle the mud they sling against each other.

IMO the best thing the Democrats can do is wrap up their primary ASAP to minimize the amount of self-inflicted damage they do to themselves.... but the Borg don't quite work that way...

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Even Newsweek is starting to change the narrative that this impeachment fiasco is not going to result in Trump getting removed from office, while (tactically) the Democrats shot themselves in the foot by burning their impeachment card on something stupid - essentially giving Trump impeachment immunity because the Democrats have cried wolf one too many times.  I'm just waiting for (as predicted) this entire thing to fizzle out as the Democrats have nothing on Trump.

I suspect Trump is going to be elected in 2020 because the Democratic field is one giant cluster, and I wouldn't be surprised if the House and Senate saw Republican gains.

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-democrats-believe-trump-impeachment-proceedings-will-fail-president-will-complete-first-1471650

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Some Democrats are concerned about impeachment, and want to move past it... which indicates that the entire impeachment thing is just BS.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/17/jeff-van-drew-democrats-concerned-impeachment/

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