US Elections 2020

[Doro 804]

5 minutes ago, Amenhir said:

More people voted against Clinton than they voted for Trump.  She was too easy to vilify as some kind of evil, corrupt, Washington elite.  She still won the popular vote.  She took some states for granted.  Trump only one some of the states by tens of thousands of votes.  

That's very possible, Clinton wasn't exactly popular among average people, but it's pretty telling that she was still less popular than Trump across states (outside the whole popular vote thing, because that was about left-leaning metropolitan strongholds where they have the greater populations, and 3 million more people getting overruled is exactly why I don't like federations). She basically represented that political/social narrative that the average person is sick of, but the system/elite/whatever the designation would be for a sort of bourgeois ruling class didn't expect, hence all those polls at the time giving Clinton a landslide win.

In this run, there's not really anyone to act as a protest vote, like Trump. There's no real shining star among the candidates that makes me think people will vote against Trump's hyperbole in favour of grey goop. And if they go for another identity politics angle again, they'll secure Trump the win just like last time.

[Almagnus1 83]

15 hours ago, Amenhir said:

"Obama is a muslim nazi"

That's an exceedingly racist and uncalled for thing to say.

4 hours ago, Doro said:

That's very possible, Clinton wasn't exactly popular among average people, but it's pretty telling that she was still less popular than Trump across states (outside the whole popular vote thing, because that was about left-leaning metropolitan strongholds where they have the greater populations, and 3 million more people getting overruled is exactly why I don't like federations). She basically represented that political/social narrative that the average person is sick of, but the system/elite/whatever the designation would be for a sort of bourgeois ruling class didn't expect, hence all those polls at the time giving Clinton a landslide win.

In this run, there's not really anyone to act as a protest vote, like Trump. There's no real shining star among the candidates that makes me think people will vote against Trump's hyperbole in favour of grey goop. And if they go for another identity politics angle again, they'll secure Trump the win just like last time.

What sunk her was Comey trying to "help" with the emails, combined with her calling a bunch of the electorate a bunch of deplorables.

That, combined with Trump playing the MSM like a fiddle resulted in Trump getting elected.  And guess what, he's been doing it again.

5 hours ago, Amenhir said:

More people voted against Clinton than they voted for Trump.  She was too easy to vilify as some kind of evil, corrupt, Washington elite. 

Perhaps cause she's actually not a very good person?

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She still won the popular vote.

Popular vote doesn't mean shit in a Constitutional Repbulic.  Trump beat Hillary in the Electoral College votes (304-227) and won more states (30-20).  Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Results if you want to debate that point.  Also, it was California that swung it as it has 14M of the 136M electorate - which is easily the size of several states combined.

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He's now proven that he's a total pile of human garbage.

Yet compared to the Democrats, he's an angel.

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They aren't supporting him because he's a good president.

I heartily disagree on this point.  He's done more to push this country forward than Obama ever did.

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That's not a reason to elect someone.

And neither is "because she's got a vagina!", yet people still voted for HRC.

[Almagnus1 83]

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And on a different note, here's fairly conclusive proof that most of the country thinks Trump is performing at least adequately, if not well, as President.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-higher-obama-1460076

[Amenhir 120]

8 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

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And on a different note, here's fairly conclusive proof that most of the country thinks Trump is performing at least adequately, if not well, as President.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-higher-obama-1460076

You think 44% polled is "most" of the country?

[Papi 88]

2 hours ago, Amenhir said:

You think 44% polled is "most" of the country?

Of course he does, look who you are talking to.

3 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

He's done more to push this country forward than Obama ever did.

 

1. Please define "forward"

2. Give me at least 5 examples (and please, spare us your usual bullshit, facts only please) of how he has moved the country "forward"

[Almagnus1 83]

4 hours ago, Amenhir said:

You think 44% polled is "most" of the country?

Point is it's better than what Obama was doing at the same time, and he was the MSM's darling.

1 hour ago, Papi said:

Of course he does, look who you are talking to.

1. Please define "forward"

Moving us towards greater economic prosperity while providing a better direction for the Republican party more inline with the average American.

1 hour ago, Papi said:

2. Give me at least 5 examples (and please, spare us your usual bullshit, facts only please) of how he has moved the country "forward"

1. He's actually serious taking on the China problem - especially their wanton espionage and IP theft.
2. Trying to fix the immigration issue that the Democrats pretend doesn't exist
3. We're out of a nuclear deal with Iran that they had no intention of honoring, thus would be one-sided in Iran's favor.
4. Undid most of Obama's legacy that was strangling small businesses.
5. Actually serious about a US withdrawal from Afghanistan as seen by his willingness to meet with all sides (including the Taliban).

I realize that you're probably going to see this as "bullshit", but it's part of the reason why I will not hesitate to vote for Trump again - and a large reason why the Democrats are largely disconnected from reality as they see Trump as some idiot because they don't have the spine to admit that he has done some good - all because he shatters their false narrative and beat their chosen one.  From what I'm seeing, the behavior of modern Democrats closer matches a bunch of cultists than a functioning political party.

[cossieuk 205]

Tackling China by putting tariffs on all imports from China and then claiming the China is paying lots of money to the US treasury because of the tariffs.  The man cant open his mouth without lying 

[Almagnus1 83]

1 hour ago, cossieuk said:

Tackling China by putting tariffs on all imports from China and then claiming the China is paying lots of money to the US treasury because of the tariffs.  The man cant open his mouth without lying 

It keeps the media distracted... which is the entire point.

Tariffs are what matter, as China is a modern day Orwellian distopia built on stolen US tech.

[Papi 88]

13 minutes ago, Almagnus1 said:

It keeps the media distracted... which is the entire point.

 

No, it's a brazen lie to the so called "average American" you seem to genuinely think he is rooting for.  Those average Americans are paying the cost for it.  

[Papi 88]

2 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

 

1. Undid most of Obama's legacy that was strangling small businesses.

He is certainly trying to.  He tried and failed to get rid of the Affordable Care Act--and it cost the Republican Party dearly in the mid-terms.  Because, gosh...wait for it, people actually need their healthcare and didn't want it taken away because Trump has a hate-on for Obama.  

What is telling about your post is your use of the word "cultist".  I have no problem admitting the many faults of the media and even the Democratic party with their shortsightedness and I sure as hell didn't vote for Hillary...but Trump is clearly your God and the cult to which you belong.  A better direction for the Republican Party?  Are you fucking serious?  When the dust settles, he will have almost destroyed it.  And not in a revolutionary or groundbreaking way.  In fact, the entire political landscape will probably never be the same.  Some part of me thinks maybe that is something we need, but not if it comes at a cost of a deeply divided nation.

[Almagnus1 83]

47 minutes ago, Papi said:

No, it's a brazen lie to the so called "average American" you seem to genuinely think he is rooting for.  Those average Americans are paying the cost for it.  

... Don't you mean reaping the reward?

The entire machine that is the MSM has been broken by Trump - which is the same machine that HRC used to steal the DNC nomination from Bernie - which was done via super delegates to make it appear she was ahead when Bernine was actualy winning with the regular delegate count for most of the primary.  Looking at both now, it's probably a good thing we dodge both candidates as HRC has a history of screwing stuff up (almost all of the controversies in the Clinton Presidency outside of Monica was caused by her, then there's Bengazi and the email server), and Bernie is great at pitching ideas that don't work.

It's a good thing that the MSM is being forced to change as it's current incarnation is closer to a propaganda machine than a collection of journalists relaying news.

It's also that same MSM that Trump is continually playing like a fiddle, which is why he's going to troll his way to reelection.

32 minutes ago, Papi said:

He is certainly trying to.  He tried and failed to get rid of the Affordable Care Act--and it cost the Republican Party dearly in the mid-terms.  Because, gosh...wait for it, people actually need their healthcare and didn't want it taken away because Trump has a hate-on for Obama.  

Obama caused me to LOSE healthcare.  Obamacare completely screwed me over healthcare wise, especially when I was off contract as it was far more economically viable to go without health insurance than get health insurance because all Obamacare did was mandate everyone gets health insurance, or you get fined.  It's retards like you that keep trying to prop it up as some great achievement that are completely blind to the millions like me that got completely screwed over because of it.

I had a good insurance policy outside of work.  Now those don't exist at an affordable price because of the cancer that is Obamacare screwing up the healthcare system - and it's millions of blind parrots that keep spouting how good it was and dismiss all like me that got boned because of the legislature.

32 minutes ago, Papi said:

What is telling about your post is your use of the word "cultist".  I have no problem admitting the many faults of the media and even the Democratic party with their shortsightedness and I sure as hell didn't vote for Hillary...but Trump is clearly your God and the cult to which you belong.

Anyone that spouts progressive ideology is part of a cult.  I'm sorry if you can't see it, but I'm calling as I see it.  It's the same for the Apple fanboys (and to a lesser extent) some of the Linux enthusiasts.

32 minutes ago, Papi said:

A better direction for the Republican Party?  Are you fucking serious?  When the dust settles, he will have almost destroyed it.

Still spouting that Democratic line of bullshit, eh?

32 minutes ago, Papi said:

In fact, the entire political landscape will probably never be the same.

Kinda like how it always changes with each presidential election?

Oh wait, I forgot you're part of the "it changed therefore it sucks" crowd...

I thought you were pro change, I mean....

[Almagnus1 83]

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If anything, all the *ist and *phobic name calling has done is illustrate just how hypocritical most of the major Democrats really are, as they are more that willing to go after a Republican for doing something that they deem to be *ist or *phobic, yet when a Democrat does something like this clip (that's just straight up racist):

They do nothing.

[ZaklanoSrce 6]

What Trump needs to do ( after re-election ) is to repeal 22-amendment that limits presidential terms .

Just imagine the collective triggering that would cause .

#Trump2024 #Trump2028 #Trump2032

All hail God-Emperor

[Papi 88]

10 hours ago, Almagnus1 said:

Anyone that spouts progressive ideology is part of a cult.  I'm sorry if you can't see it, but I'm calling as I see it.  It's the same for the Apple fanboys (and to a lesser extent) some of the Linux enthusiasts.

^^This line of thought, this...rambling is why it's ultimately futile to even attempt any common ground with you.  

[Papi 88]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2019/08/12/trumps-trade-wars-are-hurting-midwest-farmers-banks-and-state-coffers/

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-tariff-bailout-20190524-story.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2019/09/12/federal-budget-deficit-tops-1-trillion--with-no-end-in-sight/#24be96fb63a2

A person who can look at things objectively:  Trump's tariffs hurt average Americans and our federal spending is out of control.

 

[Amenhir 120]

10 hours ago, ZaklanoSrce said:

What Trump needs to do ( after re-election ) is to repeal 22-amendment that limits presidential terms .

Just imagine the collective triggering that would cause .

#Trump2024 #Trump2028 #Trump2032

All hail God-Emperor

As terrifying as it would be for any President to be elected for life, he can't do that.  Any changes to amendments have to be ratified by 38/50 states.  What's even more frightening is the number of people, such as yourself, who would be happy to destroy a country to "trigger" people.

13 hours ago, cossieuk said:

Tackling China by putting tariffs on all imports from China and then claiming the China is paying lots of money to the US treasury because of the tariffs.  The man cant open his mouth without lying 

Do you know what's really hilarious?  Those tariffs came with a huge government handout to the farmers that are being boned.  Kind of like those Iowa farmers Almagnus mentioned.  I gotta say, I'm not too happy that my tax dollars were stolen to bail out farmers.  I don't own a farm, why should I have to pay.  God damn socialists.

[ZaklanoSrce 6]

I didn't say elected for life ( even if Trump would be quite old in that scenario ) .

Was FDR elected for life ? No,he just won several elections . Personally i find 22nd amendment in rank with 18th ( prohibition ) as counter-productive and just stupid .

And why would that be " destroying " a country ?

Because you don't like the prospect of having republican president for a decade ?

You can always move to Canada 

[Almagnus1 83]

9 hours ago, Papi said:

^^This line of thought, this...rambling is why it's ultimately futile to even attempt any common ground with you.  

When your defintion of common ground is (as you have demonstrated) "believe what I believe", then you are correct.

You are incapable of tolerating different ideas, and must make everything like you.  You are...

9 hours ago, Papi said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2019/08/12/trumps-trade-wars-are-hurting-midwest-farmers-banks-and-state-coffers/

Notice how it doesn't mention the crop?

It's because it's the soy farmers, and those under the largely under the thrall of Monsato because they're using GMO soy as a freaking hammer as the GMO soy is pollinating other fields and they are claiming that as "theft".  For as much evil as that corporation as done to farmers in my family, and friends of theirs, Monsato had this coming and all supporting that corrupt corporation can suck it.

So no, that's not a bad thing, and you need to do your research.

9 hours ago, Papi said:

https://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-tariff-bailout-20190524-story.html

Oh, an article about the tarrif with China... and yet they aren't talking about how China is screwing us, so again, it's another piece of propaganda.  Read the article, and the only thing it's hurting are a few industries, but nothing at large.

I'm fine sacrificing a few fingers to save the hand.

9 hours ago, Papi said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergeiklebnikov/2019/09/12/federal-budget-deficit-tops-1-trillion--with-no-end-in-sight/#24be96fb63a2

So most of this is based around https://fiscal.treasury.gov/files/reports-statements/mts/mts0819.pdfl, and here's breaking down the article:

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Since last October, increased military spending, rising interest rates on government debt, and weak revenues earlier in the year have all caused the deficit to rise by 19%, to $1.07 trillion—compared with $898 billion a year earlier, according to data released on Thursday by the Treasury Department.

And yet, this doesn't address the actual data... For FY19, the four biggest expenses are Social Security ($956B), Defense ($632B), Medicare ($625B), Health($532B).

Why have we spent almost $2T on Social Security, Medicare, and Health in FY19?

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Revenue growth has lagged the broader economy, while federal spending has steadily trended upward, particularly in sectors like defense and medicare.

Lagged... compared to what?  Is this a projection that wasn't fullfilled, or are they referring to what was happening this time last year?

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Government spending rose 7% to $4.1 trillion, eclipsing federal tax receipts, which only grew 3% to $3.1 trillion. 

And not all of that is in defense spending, yet the article is written to imply that.

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It remains unclear whether the budget gap will surpass $1 trillion for the full fiscal year, as it’s likely that the year-end deficit will narrow after September, which usually produces a surplus thanks to quarterly tax payments being due.

So we're looking at a potentially manufactured panic, as we are working off of incomplete data.

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The Congressional Budget Office has forecast a $960 billion deficit for the full year, compared to $779 billion in fiscal 2018. 

So looking into https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55551 , it's nowhere near as bad as what Obama did - as he basically gave money to industries that should have had to deal with their poor decision... instead of having the US Government pull their asses out of the fire.

Amusingly enough, here's President Bush talking about the housing crisis before Obama took office:

And it was something he was talking about for several years prior flagging it as a problem....

And this issue wasn't

addressed until it wrecked the US economy in 2010.

9 hours ago, Papi said:

A person who can look at things objectively: 

Except you're not looking at this objectively, you're so emotionally wound up in all of this that objectivity is impossible for you....

Which is exactly the type of behavior typical of cultists....

9 hours ago, Papi said:

Trump's tariffs hurt average Americans

No, they don't.

The agriculture ones only hurt Americans because soy (and also corn) is in basically everything we eat, and soy (when not properly processed) acts as estrogen in your body - which for guys means we become very feminized and start gaining weight, among other things.  As far as the beer producers getting hurt... beer isn't necessary to live, and if it is, you need to check yourself into rehab.  Not everything we're producing is good (or beneficial) and sometimes things need to fail as part of the larger economy so that innovation occurs.

9 hours ago, Papi said:

and our federal spending is out of control.

Our federal spending has been out of control for nigh on 30 years now, at least going back as far as Clinton, if not farther.  This is nothing new, but (again with the hypocrisy) it's only a problem to the libtards because a Republican is in office.

8 hours ago, Amenhir said:

What's even more frightening is the number of people, such as yourself, who would be happy to destroy a country to "trigger" people.

It's just as frightening as people that don't understand memes, so shit themselves when they see a joke and take it seriously!

8 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Do you know what's really hilarious?  Those tariffs came with a huge government handout to the farmers that are being boned.  Kind of like those Iowa farmers Almagnus mentioned.

And that's you working off of half the information.  So how's it feel to be a useful idiot?

8 hours ago, Amenhir said:

I gotta say, I'm not too happy that my tax dollars were stolen to bail out farmers.

So now you know how I felt when the US government should have let the banks and auto industries fail.  Ford DID NOT take a single bailout, yet GM did.  There's a very big reason 

8 hours ago, Amenhir said:

I don't own a farm, why should I have to pay.

You need to learn how farming economics work.

8 hours ago, Amenhir said:

God damn socialists.

I know, which is why you shouldn't support any of the Democratic candidates because they're all socialists.

8 hours ago, ZaklanoSrce said:

You can always move to Canada 

For as many of the Democrats that have threatened this.... I'm surprised few actually have done so.

It's almost like it's an empty threat....

[Splay 65]

Lmao These posts are growing in length.

Isn't there something said about those who speak the loudest?

 

A few comments here.

Electoral College: Every time someone won a Presidential election, where they didn't also win the Popular vote was a Republican. Coincidence?

I don't care much for the global free trade economy. Tariffs should have never been removed from American imports. Now that we all have gotten used to cheap Chinese junk, no one wants to give that up and manufacture American products for an American economy, because it will cost more. Americans need to suck it up and own this mistake and get back to self reliance.

Borders: Fuck ya, we need to protect our borders and stop illegal immigration. Also, we need to enforce the laws that govern Visas. 1/3 of all immigrants in America who have a visa have overstayed their legal length of time.

Lobbyist: These fuckers need to burn in hell. The sooner a law prohibits this practice the better. Both side of this duopoly, political system are guilty.

I don't give two fucks who gets this done, but I sure as hell won't vote for someone I can't respect.

Trump is someone I have no respect for.

[Papi 88]

Trump supporters:  Socialism is evil!

Trump supporters hit by the President's failed diplomatic/economic policies:  Just kidding, please give me a government handout!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-19/farmers-say-trump-s-28-billion-bailout-isn-t-a-solution?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter

 

 

[Almagnus1 83]

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Electoral College: Every time someone won a Presidential election, where they didn't also win the Popular vote was a Republican. Coincidence?

It's needed, though, otherwise you'd concentrate too much power in the cities.  It's a lot like the issues Washington has, were Seattle basically dictates policy for the entire state, even if it's detrimental for the Eastern half of the state, which was basically all Republican.  Essentially, Seattle ended up crippling some of Washington's industries because they believed in this progressive dogma that doesn't economically work.

4 hours ago, Papi said:

Trump supporters:  Socialism is evil!

Trump supporters hit by the President's failed diplomatic/economic policies:  Just kidding, please give me a government handout!

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-19/farmers-say-trump-s-28-billion-bailout-isn-t-a-solution?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter

Again, you don't know what you're talking about as farmers have been subsidized by the US Government for a very, very long time.  That's a large reason why their's corn and soy in everything.  Otherwise we probably wouldn't grow anything as farming is an extremely risky profession as one bad year can ruin a business - which is how a lot of the corporate farms put the family farmers out of business and get their fields.  Oh, and it's also primarily SOY farmers.

And again, you dodge almost all of my previous counterpoints because, deep down, you know I'm right - you're just too much of a pussy to admit it.

[Papi 88]

 

 

 

[ZaklanoSrce 6]

So ?

It's not first time in history that state department uses private individuals for some backroom diplomacy .

[Almagnus1 83]

And if you're talking about spying on another candidate, at least Trump's not using the FBI like Obama did....

[Papi 88]

I think the only reason Trump allows Giuliani to go on TV is because his incoherent rambling muddies the water so much no one know what's going on by the end of it.  He could get caught in an outright lie in the middle of an interview (which, he has) and it doesn't move the needle one way or the other.  I think, at this point, people are just exhausted with all the bullshit (from both sides)