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Okay that is just the most batshit answer you could give. First as previously mentioned, not all women can take the pill for a wide range of reasons. Second, where the actual flying fuck is the respon

Back early in this thread Almagnus wanted us to take a test so he could adjust his responses. I am no fool. A person of conviction doesn't amend their opinions based on what others say. Its been more

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I do, a combination of decades long of indoctrination that socialism = communism, communism = the devil and democrats have policies that have at least a flavour of socialism. Thus they are the devil.

Oh, and they are pro-abortus, thus also the devil;

A little generalizing:

We all more and more live in our own bubble, strengthened by social media algoritms. What you are adviced to read/watch is based on what you have read/watched. So you see more and more of the same, with some more extreme videos/opinions popping up now and then. And because you've seen the normal ones a lot of times already and we love sensation we often click those weirder/extremer videos. Thus we see more and more of those, because we watched them, with even more extreme ones popping up now and then. And so on. 

 

And the final reason, also generalizing of course, parties who are more on the right part of the political spectrum have a stronger focus on the short-term and those at the left side more on the long-term. You don't see the long-term effects having impact directly.

A lot what Trump has done, especially for the rural regions, has great positive short-tem effects. But at the cost of higher national debt. But before you notice the impact of that we are several years later.

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6 hours ago, Thrabath said:

I do, a combination of decades long of indoctrination that socialism = communism, communism = the devil and democrats have policies that have at least a flavour of socialism. Thus they are the devil.

Oh, and they are pro-abortus, thus also the devil;

 

You'd expect me to jump in with some anti "American idiots" rant. On the contrary - I'll give you an example from Poland - over 30% of the population believed nonsensical conspiracy theories that Russians killed our president or his enemies planted a bomb on his plane in 2010. On the basis of that "sect" a force grew that governs Poland now. 

Anyone who says "But Trump just lies" doesn't understand the mechanism. 
(Hatred, mistrust,  legitimate self-defense against "The Enemy", simple answers to all our fears... )


 

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Looks like the US has a new President.  Biden leads in GA and just took the lead in PA, which is going to widen.  Unfortunately, Biden is going to get the blame for the shitty economy.  Which is hilarious considering Trumpies gave Trump credit for the economic recovery under Obama.

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12 hours ago, Amenhir said:

Biden gets his mandate.  4 million more in the popular vote.  I cant believe 70 million people voted for Trump.

 

He won. But Senate stays Republican and Democrats lost some House seats (though they maintain a majority). Plenty voted for him but Republicans down-ticket. Not the strongest mandate.

Overall good result, imo.

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24 minutes ago, FundinStrongarm said:

He won. But Senate stays Republican and Democrats lost some House seats (though they maintain a majority). Plenty voted for him but Republicans down-ticket. Not the strongest mandate.

Overall good result, imo.

It's certainly going to be nice to have a President who won the popular vote.  I think the EC will be overhauled the moment a Republican wins the popular vote, but loses the election.

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40 minutes ago, Amenhir said:

It's certainly going to be nice to have a President who won the popular vote.  I think the EC will be overhauled the moment a Republican wins the popular vote, but loses the election.

I doubt that. Would be a bad thing then and a bad thing now.

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54 minutes ago, FundinStrongarm said:

I doubt that. Would be a bad thing then and a bad thing now.

At this point support for the EC doesn't make any sense.  Where I live, in a very red state, my vote was totally meaningless.  In California millions of Republican votes are meaningless.  That other argument that candidates will only campaign in certain areas is no different than it is now.  What would change is the need for candidates to go everywhere to gain support.  You'll either have tyranny of the majority or tyranny of the minority.  When my parents took my siblings and I out for dinner we didn't go to the restaurant one sibling liked and everyone else didn't. 

I don't think someone who received 3 to 4 million fewer votes should become President.  If Republicans are against it because they'll never win an election again, then I think they should change their platform to more accurately reflect the will of the people.  Go back to being for small government and fiscal responsibility, not what they've become.

Just my opinion.

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That the Republican Senators have been saved must be down to those republicans who voted Biden but still voted their house and senate party members add in the base who just voted Trump and anyone on the same ticket.

Would have been a different story if all ballots with an X for a signature had been discounted :)

Trump has always struggled to follow basic logic so possibly believed he was being robbed of a win but also can't give up a position he's already taken on. He's got Rudi and the weasel that "lead" the Impeachment defence Jay Sekulow off the leash, like this pair have any credibility or ability.

I Blame Zuckerberg's algorithms for it all. Bringing like minded people together is not good when everyone is fucking nuts! 

The weasel CNN have on the panel must be risking an aneurism as his brain tries to justify some aspect of Trumps press briefing. But even CNN are being pathetic suggesting ways for Trump to be given a face saving way out like the spoilt child he is and to stop him throwing a tantrum. The fucking President they voted in is a psycho 10 year old. Apologies to 10 year olds.  

He's going to lose the election but he's not lost his base and not lost his hold over the Republican leaderships because he could be back in 3 years and wipe the floor with any other nominee and wipe them out running as an independent.

Impeach him.

 

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2 hours ago, FundinStrongarm said:

I doubt that. Would be a bad thing then and a bad thing now.

No it wouldn't but then you've not given a reason why it is a bad thing.

 

The problem with the EC is its points at doled out state by state. Where as they should be stand alone points per EC district decided by the census. Doing it this way gives each EC point and equal standing amongst the total number. Also the majority of voters in a specific district get proper recognition. Nebraska and Maine have it right. The remainder of the states have it wrong.

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31 minutes ago, Splay said:

No it wouldn't but then you've not given a reason why it is a bad thing.

 

The problem with the EC is its points are doled out state by state. Where as they should be stand alone points per EC district decided by the census. Doing it this way gives each EC point an equal standing amongst the total number. Also the majority of voters in a specific district get proper recognition. Nebraska and Maine have it right. The remainder of the states have it wrong.

Seems this sites edit function has disappeared. 

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2 hours ago, Splay said:

No it wouldn't but then you've not given a reason why it is a bad thing.

 

The problem with the EC is its points at doled out state by state. Where as they should be stand alone points per EC district decided by the census. Doing it this way gives each EC point and equal standing amongst the total number. Also the majority of voters in a specific district get proper recognition. Nebraska and Maine have it right. The remainder of the states have it wrong.

It was a good and necessary system for the formation of the US and serves the country still to this day. It means having a broad appeal to wide swaths of the country if you want to win. To seriously attempt to change it would cause a rethink of belonging to the whole, imo.

3 hours ago, Amenhir said:

  Go back to being for small government and fiscal responsibility, not what they've become.

Just my opinion.

Indeed.

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6 hours ago, Papi said:

finally, it's over.

Ya its far from over and I don't mean Trump throwing child tantrums. Without Senate control for Biden its really just a wasted span of time. Mcconnell is the swamp. You know, the one Trump wanted to get rid of. Biden will already have to sell his soul just to get cabinet members. Biden ought to just pull the bullshit move Trump used and place interim proxies for his cabinet which just happen to never get replaced. Mcconnell will block any and every nomination and legislation Biden's Democrats put forward. Then later want to use the backroom for bargaining. The end results are just more of the same change no one wants and at best always watered down versions of anything meaningful. Biden does have this going for him. He can repeal all the stupid changes Trump made within the administrations agencies.

I'm wishing that Biden gets in a room with Mcconnell and just says fuck you. You get nothing until you get out of my way. Though when I see an old man walking around with purple colored hands and multiple contusions, I don't expect Mcconnell to be around very long. Those are clear signs of a failing life.

Anyway it is far from over. The past four years of media brainwashing from the mind of a lunatic (Trump) is going to play out in the immediate future. All these ignorant uneducated fools who voted for Trump are really dumb enough to act out aggression rather than just admit they backed a dumbass loser with an IQ of 65.

Biden won't sit in the White House with a powerful enough mandate to contribute to any major change needed in the US. He'll barely be able to undo all the damage Trump caused, let alone make this country a better place to live.

Without control of the Congress, Biden will be a lame duck President for four years in my opinion. Then there is a real possibility Trump will be back if he isn't dead, incarcerated, or has fled.

Ya it's far from over.

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There are two runoffs for Senate in GA in early January. I'll be volunteering on those two after giving myself a weekend off to celebrate and recharge.

There's also a race in Alaska that hasn't been called yet either.  And there are more R Senate seats up for grabs in 2022 than D, so there's work to be done then too.

Acting cabinet seat appointments can work for Biden now that the precedent has been set. Just having competent people who know what they're doing is a major improvement from the shitshow we've had to deal with lately.

 

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President-elect Biden gave a very good victory speech tonight. His confidence seemed overwhelmingly evident. He covered nearly every concern an American might have if not all of them. Tonight's speech might be the best I've heard from any politician in more than 20 years.

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12 minutes ago, Splay said:

President-elect Biden gave a very good victory speech tonight. His confidence seemed overwhelmingly evident. He covered nearly every concern an American might have if not all of them. Tonight's speech might be the best I've heard from any politician in more than 20 years.

And he jogged out.

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The Republican Senate is the perfect smokescreen Biden can use to keep out the farther left members that some of his party will want in the Cabinet. He can point the finger at McConnell and say he won't let me appoint [far left hopeful], all the while keeping his centrist approach. And let's NOT have the asinine approach Trump had and interim appoint everyone. Trump still hasn't appointed several people at all, let alone the interim/recess people he has now.

His campaign basically turned off Twitter, knowing that the cancel culture crowd is not representative of broader America. Good for them.

And good that he doesn't have the strongest mandate.

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40 minutes ago, FundinStrongarm said:

The Republican Senate is the perfect smokescreen Biden can use to keep out the farther left members that some of his party will want in the Cabinet. He can point the finger at McConnell and say he won't let me appoint [far left hopeful], all the while keeping his centrist approach. And let's NOT have the asinine approach Trump had and interim appoint everyone. Trump still hasn't appointed several people at all, let alone the interim/recess people he has now.

His campaign basically turned off Twitter, knowing that the cancel culture crowd is not representative of broader America. Good for them.

And good that he doesn't have the strongest mandate.

I know, I know, nobody wants those nasty social programs that benefit the people at large.  No to universal healthcare, no to college tuition, no, no, no.  "But how are we going to pay for it?!"  We can't pay for anything NOW.  We're running a multi-trillion dollar deficit.  If we're broke I'd sure as shit prefer that the money we say we have goes to helping people instead of buying another jet.  We pay taxes and our roads suck, our education sucks, our healthcare sucks, too many people are living in poverty.  Where is all my tax money going?  Maybe they're spending it on hookers and blow.  I have no idea, but it certainly isn't going to make the country better.
 

Out of curiosity, but what do you consider a "strong" mandate?  As far as I'm concerned winning the popular vote by 4.2 million is a pretty strong mandate.
 

2the authority to carry out a policy or course of action, regarded as given by the electorate to a candidate or party that is victorious in an election.

The electorate, not the ELECTED.

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First of all, the margin of victory in the popular vote is (so far) less than 3%. While Biden did get over 50%, which is good, it wasn't like when Obama won in 2008, which was by 7%. Also, the Senate stayed Republican and the House lost some Democrats (though they still have majority). Many leftist causes lost on the proposition ballots in States.

A strong mandate would be to have flipped the Senate and gain seats in the House.

Biden ran in the primaries as a moderate, beating the likes of Sanders and Warren.

He doesn't have a mandate for sweeping changes, imo.

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To me the meaning of a moderate, centralist means being able to pick and choose sensible positions from the political spectrum. If they reside outside of the center as long as they provide positive outcomes the majority of the people can benefit from is fair game.

With that said, free education and healthcare are within that meaning. Just because they are social programs doesn't meaning they are leading the way to socialism. I find it funny when people make opposition to those two ideas, but at the same time don't consider bailing out banks and business sectors socialism. Also the same people expect to collect social security which is a subsidized social program. Go figure.

Having long term fully funded social programs doesn't make the US a socialist country.

I don't prefer Biden takes us back to the America we had before Trump. The US needs to move beyond that. Without the US Senate working with Biden we just get the old same old plus Trump's debt.

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They gutted the Voting Rights Act, purged voter rolls, closed polling places, removed ballot drop boxes, fucked with the Postal Service, attacked voting by mail, and ignored a pandemic...all to try to keep their Dear Leader in office...and they STILL lost.

Also...refuse to let states count mail/absentee votes early to speed up the  process...then cry that the changing vote totals mean FRAUD ON A SCALE WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!1!!!!

Fucking fucks.

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1 hour ago, warspeech said:

They gutted the Voting Rights Act, purged voter rolls, closed polling places, removed ballot drop boxes, fucked with the Postal Service, attacked voting by mail, and ignored a pandemic...all to try to keep their Dear Leader in office...and they STILL lost.

Also...refuse to let states count mail/absentee votes early to speed up the  process...then cry that the changing vote totals mean FRAUD ON A SCALE WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE!1!!!!

Fucking fucks.

It's such a 2020 thing for Trump to say isn't it?  "Why are all the mail-in ballots going for Biden?"  I'm sure it has something to do with the fact that he spent the last 3 months telling his flock of followers that mail-in ballots are full of corruption so they decided to vote in-person while the Democrats mailed them in.  

Also, I just read that his Chief of Staff has come forward saying he tested positive for COVID...days ago...and didn't tell any of his staff and even attended Trump's "election win party".  I mean...fuck all of them--whatever happens to them, they have it coming.

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