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3 hours ago, Splay said:

To me the meaning of a moderate, centralist means being able to pick and choose sensible positions from the political spectrum. If they reside outside of the center as long as they provide positive outcomes the majority of the people can benefit from is fair game.

With that said, free education and healthcare are within that meaning. Just because they are social programs doesn't meaning they are leading the way to socialism. I find it funny when people make opposition to those two ideas, but at the same time don't consider bailing out banks and business sectors socialism. Also the same people expect to collect social security which is a subsidized social program. Go figure.

Having long term fully funded social programs doesn't make the US a socialist country.

I don't prefer Biden takes us back to the America we had before Trump. The US needs to move beyond that. Without the US Senate working with Biden we just get the old same old plus Trump's debt.

No mandate for that, imo.

I'm opposed to those ideas AND opposed to bailing out banks and business sector. And I think social security has been a ponzi scheme from the get go.

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Okay that is just the most batshit answer you could give. First as previously mentioned, not all women can take the pill for a wide range of reasons. Second, where the actual flying fuck is the respon

Back early in this thread Almagnus wanted us to take a test so he could adjust his responses. I am no fool. A person of conviction doesn't amend their opinions based on what others say. Its been more

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I'd consider it a huge mandate given that one side followed no rules, lied and cheated their supporters as well as took risks with their health. There wasn't even a policy presented, just an I'm great, we're great and things will be greater - along side the usual Bogyman threat alternative.

If you learn early in life that cheating is easier than work then when an aid says your winning Pennsylvania with 55% you can be dumb enough to take it as 55% of all the votes rather than 55% of those counted. As far as he's concerned he had won it and then he isn't - so with years of embracing conspiracy theories, that's the jump you make, not learn some basic maths. It's also the narcissist trait of being incapable of changing strategy or to follow changes in the pandemic after a position has been taken on it. He will never know just how dumb he is.

You can bet the golf course Manager he got to play a round with him today didn't up his game all of a sudden. His job's shaky enough already. Every lowlife on the Trump gravy train, no wonder his businesses keep failing, when flattery gets you everything you want. At least he wasn't a "LOSER" today! To be honest I'm surprised he hasn't been on a basket ball court for three days practicing, maybe the aids weren't quick enough in moving the hoop?

Dems have a good chance with the Georgia run-offs just because Trump will be blaming the GOP by then and the Base will have lost interest without him. But with 4 years of Presidential immunity from prosecution he might be busy with other things.

None of it changes the fact that around half of America is lacking in sense, morality or self-awareness.

 

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It's time for the purge, Esper out. Who needs a Defence Sec. anyway? And we thought the pandemic was going to make the WH a ghost town.

Anyone know what Barr and Pompeo are up to? Taking self-isolation ultra seriously all of a sudden?

 

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4 hours ago, Macdui101 said:

It's time for the purge, Esper out. Who needs a Defence Sec. anyway? And we thought the pandemic was going to make the WH a ghost town.

Anyone know what Barr and Pompeo are up to? Taking self-isolation ultra seriously all of a sudden?

 

They're preparing for the Pompeo/Barr ticket in 2024.  I'm pretty sure that anyone associated with the Trump administration can kiss their political aspirations goodbye.

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1 hour ago, Amenhir said:

They're preparing for the Pompeo/Barr ticket in 2024.  I'm pretty sure that anyone associated with the Trump administration can kiss their political aspirations goodbye.

There is some real truth to Barr and 2024. He'll wreck whats left of the Constitution that Trump hasn't already. I read some of his published material. The guy has this thing about co-equal branches and how it is interpreted. Essentially he thinks the Executive branch deserves a bigger slice of the pie.

I haven't given weight to anything he has said while working for Trump. Barr knows AG is a stepping stone, so he'll say what he is told and endure the fallout. Honestly I don't think Barr is presidential material.

Pompeo? I don't see it. He is tainted by Trump.

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11 hours ago, Splay said:

There is some real truth to Barr and 2024. He'll wreck whats left of the Constitution that Trump hasn't already. I read some of his published material. The guy has this thing about co-equal branches and how it is interpreted. Essentially he thinks the Executive branch deserves a bigger slice of the pie.

I haven't given weight to anything he has said while working for Trump. Barr knows AG is a stepping stone, so he'll say what he is told and endure the fallout. Honestly I don't think Barr is presidential material.

Pompeo? I don't see it. He is tainted by Trump.

Ugh. Congress has ceded so much power to the executive branch already. That's why the president can issue executive orders and change things all over the place. It wasn't right when Obama did it, nor Trump, nor Biden. Congress needs to take back its authority.

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Considering Trump is now lying to the degree that it's impacting social order (with roughly 70% of Republicans in some polls claiming they believe there was voting fraud despite no evidence having ever been presented to a judge in any of the many cases Trump had his cronies open as a distraction), is that enough to have more legal consequences against him when he's finally dragged out by his hair? It's obvious he's doing it to cause unrest and squeeze some cash out of idiot donors who think he's going to put funds he's begged for into recounts, so surely the law has to step in at some point, right?

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4 minutes ago, Doro said:

Considering Trump is now lying to the degree that it's impacting social order (with roughly 70% of Republicans in some polls claiming they believe there was voting fraud despite no evidence having ever been presented to a judge in any of the many cases Trump had his cronies open as a distraction), is that enough to have more legal consequences against him when he's finally dragged out by his hair? It's obvious he's doing it to cause unrest and squeeze some cash out of idiot donors who think he's going to put funds he's begged for into recounts, so surely the law has to step in at some point, right?

In the emails they sent out begging for money for the lawsuits, in the small print it mentioned that half of all money received would be used to pay reelection debts

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7 hours ago, cossieuk said:

In the emails they sent out begging for money for the lawsuits, in the small print it mentioned that half of all money received would be used to pay reelection debts

Yeah, but no. The fine print actually means that half of that money goes to an actual "defense fund" after the legal limit of $5000 to the turd campaign and $35.500 to the RNC is paid. It's a money grab.

On 11/10/2020 at 12:21 PM, FundinStrongarm said:

Ugh. Congress has ceded so much power to the executive branch already. That's why the president can issue executive orders and change things all over the place. It wasn't right when Obama did it, nor Trump, nor Biden. Congress needs to take back its authority.

It was actually not "not right" when Obama did it. Obama had McTurtle who stonewalled every. single. bill. He still does. Congress is broken. McTurtle broke it. Harry Reid started down that path I'll admit that, but McTurtle took Reid's path and amped it up to over 9000. The fact of the matter is that the Democrats and non-Republican leaning population are in the majority in the US. The Electoral Collage system ensures that a minority rule is possible. As such, the GOP has power, far more than it deserves based on the popular vote. So when a President like Obama is faced with a Senate that stonewalls everything, one has to force policy by executive order.

You could argue that Turd also had that right when the House flipped in 2018, but even when Turd had the House and the Senate, the GOP was unable to accomplish anything. Sure, they had their tax cut to benefit the rich, but for fucks sake, they wanted to replace the ACA with something more suiting their demented vision. They could have written up anything. They didn't, because even the most ardent Turd supporter knew that if they actually replaced the ACA, they would hurt their constituents. Two years they had to do so, they announced plans before day one. They are still talking about Turd's plan for replacing it.

Ruling as President by executive order is not something that should be done. But in the face of a Congress that stonewalls, like McTurtle's plan has been for the past 10 years.. it can be needed.

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3 hours ago, MueR said:

Yeah, but no. The fine print actually means that half of that money goes to an actual "defense fund" after the legal limit of $5000 to the turd campaign and $35.500 to the RNC is paid. It's a money grab.

It was actually not "not right" when Obama did it. Obama had McTurtle who stonewalled every. single. bill. He still does. Congress is broken. McTurtle broke it. Harry Reid started down that path I'll admit that, but McTurtle took Reid's path and amped it up to over 9000. The fact of the matter is that the Democrats and non-Republican leaning population are in the majority in the US. The Electoral Collage system ensures that a minority rule is possible. As such, the GOP has power, far more than it deserves based on the popular vote. So when a President like Obama is faced with a Senate that stonewalls everything, one has to force policy by executive order.

You could argue that Turd also had that right when the House flipped in 2018, but even when Turd had the House and the Senate, the GOP was unable to accomplish anything. Sure, they had their tax cut to benefit the rich, but for fucks sake, they wanted to replace the ACA with something more suiting their demented vision. They could have written up anything. They didn't, because even the most ardent Turd supporter knew that if they actually replaced the ACA, they would hurt their constituents. Two years they had to do so, they announced plans before day one. They are still talking about Turd's plan for replacing it.

Ruling as President by executive order is not something that should be done. But in the face of a Congress that stonewalls, like McTurtle's plan has been for the past 10 years.. it can be needed.

Congress needs to take back its authority. Way too much power has been ceded to the executive branch.

And, it WAS wrong when Obama did it. Rule by decree is not good, no matter the party. One needs to win the political argument and gather the votes required to enact policy. If you can't, then tough. Senate control has nothing to do with the Electoral College (not to mention that under Obama, the House was also Republican for 6 of his 8 years). Pinning that on McConnell ain't gonna wash, sorry.

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