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3 hours ago, Splay said:

To me the meaning of a moderate, centralist means being able to pick and choose sensible positions from the political spectrum. If they reside outside of the center as long as they provide positive outcomes the majority of the people can benefit from is fair game.

With that said, free education and healthcare are within that meaning. Just because they are social programs doesn't meaning they are leading the way to socialism. I find it funny when people make opposition to those two ideas, but at the same time don't consider bailing out banks and business sectors socialism. Also the same people expect to collect social security which is a subsidized social program. Go figure.

Having long term fully funded social programs doesn't make the US a socialist country.

I don't prefer Biden takes us back to the America we had before Trump. The US needs to move beyond that. Without the US Senate working with Biden we just get the old same old plus Trump's debt.

No mandate for that, imo.

I'm opposed to those ideas AND opposed to bailing out banks and business sector. And I think social security has been a ponzi scheme from the get go.

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Okay that is just the most batshit answer you could give. First as previously mentioned, not all women can take the pill for a wide range of reasons. Second, where the actual flying fuck is the respon

You know Interfax is a Russian state agency right?

There are two runoffs for Senate in GA in early January. I'll be volunteering on those two after giving myself a weekend off to celebrate and recharge. There's also a race in Alaska that hasn't b

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A couple of points:

I'd consider it a huge mandate given that one side followed no rules, lied and cheated their supporters as well as took risks with their health. There wasn't even a policy presented, just an I'm great, we're great and things will be greater - along side the usual Bogyman threat alternative.

If you learn early in life that cheating is easier than work then when an aid says your winning Pennsylvania with 55% you can be dumb enough to take it as 55% of all the votes rather than 55% of those counted. As far as he's concerned he had won it and then he isn't - so with years of embracing conspiracy theories, that's the jump you make, not learn some basic maths. It's also the narcissist trait of being incapable of changing strategy or to follow changes in the pandemic after a position has been taken on it. He will never know just how dumb he is.

You can bet the golf course Manager he got to play a round with him today didn't up his game all of a sudden. His job's shaky enough already. Every lowlife on the Trump gravy train, no wonder his businesses keep failing, when flattery gets you everything you want. At least he wasn't a "LOSER" today! To be honest I'm surprised he hasn't been on a basket ball court for three days practicing, maybe the aids weren't quick enough in moving the hoop?

Dems have a good chance with the Georgia run-offs just because Trump will be blaming the GOP by then and the Base will have lost interest without him. But with 4 years of Presidential immunity from prosecution he might be busy with other things.

None of it changes the fact that around half of America is lacking in sense, morality or self-awareness.

 

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4 hours ago, Macdui101 said:

It's time for the purge, Esper out. Who needs a Defence Sec. anyway? And we thought the pandemic was going to make the WH a ghost town.

Anyone know what Barr and Pompeo are up to? Taking self-isolation ultra seriously all of a sudden?

 

They're preparing for the Pompeo/Barr ticket in 2024.  I'm pretty sure that anyone associated with the Trump administration can kiss their political aspirations goodbye.

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1 hour ago, Amenhir said:

They're preparing for the Pompeo/Barr ticket in 2024.  I'm pretty sure that anyone associated with the Trump administration can kiss their political aspirations goodbye.

There is some real truth to Barr and 2024. He'll wreck whats left of the Constitution that Trump hasn't already. I read some of his published material. The guy has this thing about co-equal branches and how it is interpreted. Essentially he thinks the Executive branch deserves a bigger slice of the pie.

I haven't given weight to anything he has said while working for Trump. Barr knows AG is a stepping stone, so he'll say what he is told and endure the fallout. Honestly I don't think Barr is presidential material.

Pompeo? I don't see it. He is tainted by Trump.

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11 hours ago, Splay said:

There is some real truth to Barr and 2024. He'll wreck whats left of the Constitution that Trump hasn't already. I read some of his published material. The guy has this thing about co-equal branches and how it is interpreted. Essentially he thinks the Executive branch deserves a bigger slice of the pie.

I haven't given weight to anything he has said while working for Trump. Barr knows AG is a stepping stone, so he'll say what he is told and endure the fallout. Honestly I don't think Barr is presidential material.

Pompeo? I don't see it. He is tainted by Trump.

Ugh. Congress has ceded so much power to the executive branch already. That's why the president can issue executive orders and change things all over the place. It wasn't right when Obama did it, nor Trump, nor Biden. Congress needs to take back its authority.

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Considering Trump is now lying to the degree that it's impacting social order (with roughly 70% of Republicans in some polls claiming they believe there was voting fraud despite no evidence having ever been presented to a judge in any of the many cases Trump had his cronies open as a distraction), is that enough to have more legal consequences against him when he's finally dragged out by his hair? It's obvious he's doing it to cause unrest and squeeze some cash out of idiot donors who think he's going to put funds he's begged for into recounts, so surely the law has to step in at some point, right?

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4 minutes ago, Doro said:

Considering Trump is now lying to the degree that it's impacting social order (with roughly 70% of Republicans in some polls claiming they believe there was voting fraud despite no evidence having ever been presented to a judge in any of the many cases Trump had his cronies open as a distraction), is that enough to have more legal consequences against him when he's finally dragged out by his hair? It's obvious he's doing it to cause unrest and squeeze some cash out of idiot donors who think he's going to put funds he's begged for into recounts, so surely the law has to step in at some point, right?

In the emails they sent out begging for money for the lawsuits, in the small print it mentioned that half of all money received would be used to pay reelection debts

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7 hours ago, cossieuk said:

In the emails they sent out begging for money for the lawsuits, in the small print it mentioned that half of all money received would be used to pay reelection debts

Yeah, but no. The fine print actually means that half of that money goes to an actual "defense fund" after the legal limit of $5000 to the turd campaign and $35.500 to the RNC is paid. It's a money grab.

On 11/10/2020 at 12:21 PM, FundinStrongarm said:

Ugh. Congress has ceded so much power to the executive branch already. That's why the president can issue executive orders and change things all over the place. It wasn't right when Obama did it, nor Trump, nor Biden. Congress needs to take back its authority.

It was actually not "not right" when Obama did it. Obama had McTurtle who stonewalled every. single. bill. He still does. Congress is broken. McTurtle broke it. Harry Reid started down that path I'll admit that, but McTurtle took Reid's path and amped it up to over 9000. The fact of the matter is that the Democrats and non-Republican leaning population are in the majority in the US. The Electoral Collage system ensures that a minority rule is possible. As such, the GOP has power, far more than it deserves based on the popular vote. So when a President like Obama is faced with a Senate that stonewalls everything, one has to force policy by executive order.

You could argue that Turd also had that right when the House flipped in 2018, but even when Turd had the House and the Senate, the GOP was unable to accomplish anything. Sure, they had their tax cut to benefit the rich, but for fucks sake, they wanted to replace the ACA with something more suiting their demented vision. They could have written up anything. They didn't, because even the most ardent Turd supporter knew that if they actually replaced the ACA, they would hurt their constituents. Two years they had to do so, they announced plans before day one. They are still talking about Turd's plan for replacing it.

Ruling as President by executive order is not something that should be done. But in the face of a Congress that stonewalls, like McTurtle's plan has been for the past 10 years.. it can be needed.

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3 hours ago, MueR said:

Yeah, but no. The fine print actually means that half of that money goes to an actual "defense fund" after the legal limit of $5000 to the turd campaign and $35.500 to the RNC is paid. It's a money grab.

It was actually not "not right" when Obama did it. Obama had McTurtle who stonewalled every. single. bill. He still does. Congress is broken. McTurtle broke it. Harry Reid started down that path I'll admit that, but McTurtle took Reid's path and amped it up to over 9000. The fact of the matter is that the Democrats and non-Republican leaning population are in the majority in the US. The Electoral Collage system ensures that a minority rule is possible. As such, the GOP has power, far more than it deserves based on the popular vote. So when a President like Obama is faced with a Senate that stonewalls everything, one has to force policy by executive order.

You could argue that Turd also had that right when the House flipped in 2018, but even when Turd had the House and the Senate, the GOP was unable to accomplish anything. Sure, they had their tax cut to benefit the rich, but for fucks sake, they wanted to replace the ACA with something more suiting their demented vision. They could have written up anything. They didn't, because even the most ardent Turd supporter knew that if they actually replaced the ACA, they would hurt their constituents. Two years they had to do so, they announced plans before day one. They are still talking about Turd's plan for replacing it.

Ruling as President by executive order is not something that should be done. But in the face of a Congress that stonewalls, like McTurtle's plan has been for the past 10 years.. it can be needed.

Congress needs to take back its authority. Way too much power has been ceded to the executive branch.

And, it WAS wrong when Obama did it. Rule by decree is not good, no matter the party. One needs to win the political argument and gather the votes required to enact policy. If you can't, then tough. Senate control has nothing to do with the Electoral College (not to mention that under Obama, the House was also Republican for 6 of his 8 years). Pinning that on McConnell ain't gonna wash, sorry.

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A fucking Beer Hall Putsch in USA...

 

 I still don't believe what I have seen.

 

It is not an argument "ad Hitlerum" - just read and think of similarities, and the progress populism has made... 

 

 

 His arrest was followed by a 24-day trial, which was widely publicised and gave him a platform to express his nationalist sentiments to the nation. Hitler was found guilty of treason and sentenced to five years in Landsberg Prison,[4] where he dictated Mein Kampf to fellow prisoners Emil Maurice and Rudolf Hess. On 20 December 1924, having served only nine months, Hitler was released.[5][6] Once released, Hitler redirected his focus towards obtaining power through legal means rather than by revolution or force, and accordingly changed his tactics, further developing Nazi propaganda.[7]

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Trump needs to be Impeached.

Again

Not because he is a registered Republican. Party affiliation has the least to do with this opinion of mine.

He needs to be Impeached so he cannot run for elected office in the future. I know some here said we need to move on and have Trump become history. Saying Americans needs to find a way to unite and find resolve for our own problems and that Impeaching Trump will further divide the United States. In light of this past week, I'm not sure the US can be more divided outside of all out civil war.

We'll see how much resolve Congress has to Impeach him this coming week. Just to note. No where does the Constitution say the same Congress who initiates an Impeachment proceeding is the same Congress that concludes the same proceeding. Having Mcconnell say it won't happen on his watch means nothing. He knows it, I know it, and so does the incoming Senate. If Senate Democrats/Independents are united, Trump will be convicted of the charges listed in the Impeachment articles.

Will Trump being convicted as a result of Impeachment proceedings? Possibly, but the cost is a necessity for the US to again become a Union for the long term existence of US's Democracy.

Presidents need to be clearly aware they are not above the law. They need to be clearly aware there are consequences for violating the Constitution and the law it imbues.

I am exceedingly elated the Corruptor and Chief is being banned across several social media platforms. I said it should happen earlier in this thread and finally these platforms are understanding how much influence a dumb fuck with self serving goals can convince, coerce, threaten, and trash the lives of participants of a Democracy. As a side note about this, I'm also loving the fact Trump lost his addiction and is freaking out he can't feed his narcissism.

On a meta type of context its just a grand moment knowing Trump the troll is reaping what he has sown. From the very beginning of his candidacy Trump eagerly stepped outside of acceptable discourse. Saying what ever popped into his two functioning brain cells. Often lowering any bar set across centuries of debate. Falling below even hole in the wall backroom bar lingua franca. Basic shit talk by a moron who can't stay on topic or even understand the universe isn't contained between his own ears.

Things I see for Trump's future:

He will not live at Mara Lago fulltime.

He will not live in any Democratic represented nation outside of the US.

He will spend the remainder of his life in litigation.

Melania will divorce him and take Barron with her back to her native country. (She hasn't spent years teaching Barron her native tongue for fun.)

He will forfeit/lose the majority of his properties in the US.

He will have all his financial assets under US control frozen.

He will have his passport revoked due being a flight risk.

He will spend time under house arrest. Likely the remainder of his life.

He will lose Secret Service protection.

He will be denied licensing by the FTC for a media (news channel) outlet platform.

He will be considered the worst President of the United States by historians.

He will play the victim the remainder of his life. All the while denying he victimized people all his life and can be directly attributed to millions of deaths worldwide and likely over half of one million US citizens.

 

 

If Americans have learn anything about how our Democracy should be conducted and represented, Trump will...

Make America Great Again.

 

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-impeaches-trump-for-incitement-of-insurrection/ar-BB1cImdc?li=BBnbcA1

The House voted 232 to 197 to impeach Trump exactly one week after rioters forced lawmakers to flee from the very chamber in which they cast ballots in the fourth presidential impeachment in US history -- and the first time a President has been impeached twice.

I was reading a few other news articles. In more than one were spoken opinions where a President must be in office to be Impeached. Claiming if when the Senate returns, Trump will be out of office and can't be Impeached. My how these professed, learned scholars know so little about the very thing they spend their lives claiming they do indeed know. Impeachment and possible conviction are two separate entities. So much so that it requires both arms of congress to complete the procedure. If it wasn't so, then Trump would not have been Impeached the first time. It is an obvious fact of history Trump was in fact Impeached once before.

The history of it all. Which I might add was my initial interest in the topic of this thread and stated so very early on. The second and lesser of the two catching my interest was that I did not/do not like the man Donald Trump. Only a dumbass would stand in front of a mic and claim to be very smart because he cheated his way into a $900 million plus tax deferment/credit. Saying so much as to suggest paying taxes was for the people dumb enough to not find a way to avoid it.

Two procedures leading to one final outcome. Trump has been Impeached and wait for it...

While he was in office.

Some say America couldn't afford the time to put Americans through a second Impeachment. I think it took a whole five days to get it done. What is good about it is, it isn't really debatable how the judgment came so fast and how it will never be contested. The whole world saw the moments leading to today's vote. Trump could have steamrolled over America. Trump could have shredded the Constitution and left the US crippled for generations, had he only kept his mouth shut. Crazies and nutters would own the US had only Trump played the role more becoming to expectations and traditions considered even with the lowest modicum. Instead the guy defeated himself at every step. At every cross roads. At every moment of his existence sitting behind the Resolute desk.

Trump is living proof an arrogant dumbfuck should never be allowed to lead a nation. Too dumb to know he isn't intelligent.

I'll give a 75% chance Trump will be convicted in the Senate. It depends on what Mcconnell can get out of a bargain from the incoming Senate majority leader Schumer. Yes Mcconnell's current position says he is open to an Impeachment conviction. I'll believe it when he votes to convict. All the while wondering how much of America's soul was sacrificed to leave Trump with the enduring legacy of LOSER.

This last four years may have been a blessing in disguise. Huh! What?!

Possibly and for the reason of what if an intelligent man had these past four years determined to change the US so drastically that it would no longer represent the country from the time of my birth. Someone just a little more driven and evil, with enough sense to know how to play the game. In that context Trump has been a showing on how to curtail future Presidential candidates leading to the Presidency that they are indeed subject to the law.

Biden would not have been my choice. Too old. Possibly too willing to appease the fringes of the political sprectrum. In any case, I doubt he can fuck up the US more than loser Trump has.

 

I'm still expecting Trump to take a shit on the Resolute desk before he leaves on Jan. 20th. It's just the kind of man he is.

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