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I'd like to think we can all agree that Trump's (and his lackeys) idiotic response(s) to the coronavirus has been...problematic at best, but something tells me Al and his ilk will defend literally everything.

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On 3/8/2020 at 7:35 AM, Papi said:

I'd like to think we can all agree that Trump's (and his lackeys) idiotic response(s) to the coronavirus has been...problematic at best, but something tells me Al and his ilk will defend literally everything

i've avoided talking about Chinese Aids prior to...  as of this post...  with good reason.

short of a global shut down of everything until a vaccine is developed (there isn't one currently)  containment is a pipe dream.

Wuhan-Kung-Flu is going to spread globally and there really isn't much that can be done, short of a Global Quarantine on public life in general (not just travel.)  work, school etc. etc.  realistically unlikely.

 

but go ahead and play partisan games with a new strain of flu virus that can transmit via air (breathing) before symptoms even occur.  i am sure it won't backfire so incredibly hard in the process.

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Talking of Trump and COVID-19, he released a statement saying all travel from Europe (but not UK), including goods, would be banned for 30 days now. His team has just had to make a clarification that it actually doesn't include a ban on goods. He read it off a prompter and still managed to get it wrong.

Also, he doesn't sound in a good way himself. He's always had a strange voice, but it's a little more bunged up than normal, with more shortness of breath. Makes me suspect he's got a badly-timed cold and they're trying to hide it as best they can before his fans think he's infected and start to panic.

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4 hours ago, Doro said:

Talking of Trump and COVID-19, he released a statement saying all travel from Europe (but not UK), including goods, would be banned for 30 days now. His team has just had to make a clarification that it actually doesn't include a ban on goods. He read it off a prompter and still managed to get it wrong.

consider it an olive branch to Boris an that Island of yours new situation making Brexit as viable a situation as possible.  don't doubt for a second the rest of the EU is chomping at the bit to remind you of that Island status.

considering the doubling factor of roughly 4 days...  it really should include the UK as well:

https://nzenews.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-biggest-daily-rise-as-uk-cases-reach-460/

the Island of UK is about to experience "yesterdays Italy" levels in about 20 days, or less.

4 hours ago, Doro said:

Also, he doesn't sound in a good way himself. He's always had a strange voice, but it's a little more bunged up than normal, with more shortness of breath. Makes me suspect he's got a badly-timed cold and they're trying to hide it as best they can before his fans think he's infected and start to panic.

here is the speech:

and yes, i do support this response.  all that can be done currently by ANY government administration ANYWHERE on the Globe is to limit the number of hosts entering the system.

and considering viruses tend to mutate over time...   a vaccine may not be for a considerable while, and by then we could be looking at a whole new problem.

regardless this situation is serious & if carriers meet with hosts in "high risk" populations (elderly, obese, high blood pressure, heart disease, respiratory conditions etc.)  the deaths will also jump considerably.

but numbers around the globe will escalate:

neither panic, nor partisanship will help this situation one bit.

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The problem is the Trump has spent the past week or so playing this down, saying it is not a big problem, rather than getting ahead of this from the off.

Also I hope he gets him self tested as he has had direct contact with people that are now self isolating, included one that had to self isolate on Air Force One.  He should be setting an example

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I'd bet this particular virus has been traveling around the world since the beginning of this past winter, with 100s of millions already having been exposed to it. I chuckle when reading the rhetorical back and forth between the US and China. The funniest one was where China claimed the US purposely released the virus in Wuhan, all the while totally dismissing China's wet markets and factory farms are a breeding ground for evolving contagions.

Trump sounded a little horse during his announcement. I imagine he could be in an oxygen tent, near death and still claim he hasn't been infected.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/trumps-re-election-chances-suddenly-look-shakier/ar-BB115sUD?li=BBnbcA1

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3 hours ago, Splay said:

China claimed the US purposely released the virus in Wuhan, all the while totally dismissing China's wet markets and factory farms are a breeding ground for evolving contagions.

and heaven forbid if China should take offense...  as they most assuredly will.

... but that isn't surprising.

what i find sad is just how many outside of China gleefully carry water on their behalf.  particularly telling is just whom gets offended or makes a stink over terms like "Wuhan" or anything identifying the spark point where humans started contracting the virus and spreading it.


Canada might just wake up to the reality of this after:

many Ivory towers will be shattered over this mess.

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On 3/12/2020 at 7:17 AM, LasraelLarson said:

and yes, i do support this response.  

 

You support a response that Trump's own people had to correct immediately after because it was filled with inaccuracies?  The man had one job--read from a teleprompter and show just a hint of compassion and empathy towards a nation facing a pandemic while providing accurate, helpful information.  He simply doesn't have the qualifications to do that.  He never did.

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51 minutes ago, Papi said:

You support a response that Trump's own people had to correct immediately after because it was filled with inaccuracies?  The man had one job--read from a teleprompter and show just a hint of compassion and empathy towards a nation facing a pandemic while providing accurate, helpful information.  He simply doesn't have the qualifications to do that.  He never did.

i do believe it was live broadcast and his tone was spot on, as well as intent.

RE: travel bans:

^Fauci^ was a pretty big deal with the AIDS situation as well.

 

as far as the financial stimulus and protections, again yes.

and qualifications, or preparedness...  how long did it take the World Health Organization to declare it a pandemic?

are you THAT MUCH of a fucking slap-head that you are suggesting Trump jump in front of // or preclude official announcements from the CDC or WHO?  give me a break.  

it has also been quite the spectacle watching most of DC veterans on both sides of the isle get blindsided by this.

perhaps back when Impeachment Fever was happening, had they collectively paid as much to what was unfolding in Wuhan China around the same time...  things may have been different.

now try bitching about testing, whilst completely ignoring the supply chain issues and previous legislation regarding that causing the issue...

& after you've profusely bellyached about that...

jump on the cheering squad for Nancy Pelosi trying to shoe-horn in abortion funding with the very funding approvals to fix broken supply chains and other issues that are causing the exact problem with lack of testing kits available to begin with...

then when this virus does eventually multiply and bed shortages and overworked medical facilities start to break under pressure, find a reason to Blame Trump for that as well.

 

as far as i am concerned, you can go vigorously fuck yourself.


5 hours ago, LasraelLarson said:

and heaven forbid if China should take offense...  as they most assuredly will.

... but that isn't surprising.

what i find sad is just how many outside of China gleefully carry water on their behalf.  particularly telling is just whom gets offended or makes a stink over terms like "Wuhan" or anything identifying the spark point where humans started contracting the virus and spreading it.

hypocrisy abounds!

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why not;  i'll link the bit where he addresses testing failures as well:

so maybe, just maybe...

the current chorus of morons (mostly on the left) sprouting that BS, can take a deep drink from the cup of:

STFU | EVIL ENGLISH

but i happen to know the very asshats crying, "listen to the experts and shut the hell up dumb orange badman!!!"

will do no such thing.  ;)

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3 hours ago, LasraelLarson said:

i do believe it was live broadcast and his tone was spot on, as well as intent.

as far as i am concerned, you can go vigorously fuck yourself.

 


what does the fact that it was a live broadcast have to do with anything?  If the intent was to misinform, then yes...he succeeded.

right back at ya, sparky!

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3 hours ago, Papi said:

what does the fact that it was a live broadcast have to do with anything?

it is right in front of your face, but you don't see it.

Donald Trump is notorious for going off on "riffs" and breaking from what it says on the teleprompter.  if you watch closely and are familiar with his style you can see he almost does it a couple times, but stops himself and sticks to the speech.  i don't know what his record is for sticking with a teleprompted speech but this last address was clocked at 9m 30s.  that might be a record.  also this is state if the union style address, given live, so no extra takes. 

unless i have missed something;  it seems issues boil down to this:

"there will be exemptions for Americans who have undergone appropriate screenings"

needed a clarification.

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"these prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo.  but various other things as we get approval...  anything coming from Europe to the United States is what we are discussing.  these restrictions will not apply to the United Kingdom."

also got clarified after:

"very important for all countries & businesses to know that trade will in no way be affected by the 30-day restriction on travel from Europe. The restriction stops people not goods."

did i miss anything else?

3 hours ago, Papi said:

If the intent was to misinform, then yes...he succeeded.

again...   9 and a half minutes of reading from a teleprompter is not his style, not to mention maintaining a serious tone & it is live... these clarifications seem rather something someone pedantic would get hung up on.

even professional teleprompter readers have issues sometimes:

 

 


3 hours ago, Papi said:

right back at ya, sparky!

you know... i think i'll point something else out that is right in front of everyones face, but certain types seem to miss it, regardless.

member back when Trump was getting Impeached?

well 8 days before that whole process concluded with his acquittal in the Senate...  Trump set up a Coronavirus task force on January 29 2020 (that had been meeting daily since January 24 2020):

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-press-secretary-regarding-presidents-coronavirus-task-force/

and tweeted out pics:

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and then CNN was quick to point out:

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because for some reason unless healthcare and disease specialist are "Not White"  somehow this equals yet another form of mismanagement of the crisis.  as does the newer Xenophobic label of "Wuhan" and or "Chinese"

the attacks are non stop.

how many times is Fauci going to have to correct the rabid media who are more concerned running narratives of Trumps slow... inadequate response, or outright mismanagement because it is not the party they are beholden to in charge?

or the constant critic Trump running his own narrative that undermines the process:

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the perpetual media gas-lighting.  plan as day.

and slap-heads like yourself regurgitating it like gospel.

so yeah...

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I find it a challenge to praise a world leader for doing what is expected, to be responsible, one time. A singular media event doesn't absolve a moron from being a moron. Trump finally represented his position with some integrity and didn't spin off on some stupid conspiracy word salad. Is it a new beginning for the Commander and Chief of the US? I highly doubt it. It may be the one moment in his life he didn't lie, defer, or distract from a truth. I can only wonder what forces were in play to make the idiot stay on track. In some small universe, a piece of Trump died doing the proper thing. I think he will have nightmares, in years to come, because his egomaniacal inner self was shuttered away for 600 seconds.

 

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Why has Trump not been tested yet, he has now been pictured with someone that is infected.  Ivanka has also been pictured with someone that is infected.  the arrogance of people like Trump is spreading this virus.

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4 hours ago, LasraelLarson said:

well 8 days before that whole process concluded with his acquittal in the Senate...  Trump set up a Coronavirus task force on January 29 2020 (that had been meeting daily since January 24 2020):

Meeting daily with seemingly nothing done still, sounds more like an easy pay-cheque. The US is still as unprepared as every other country with a bunch of lying idiots in charge, except there'll be more economic turbulence because of knee-jerk reactions from the White House, as has been the case with pretty much every international issue Trump touches. You can't give him credit for ineffectual policies designed for superficial appeasement (the political equivalent of pretending to type on a keyboard to look busy at work). The virus is already there, it's spreading like it did for Iran, Italy, and South Korea, and the task force twiddled their thumbs waiting for it knowing full well they didn't have anything useful in place.

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10 minutes ago, Doro said:

Meeting daily with seemingly nothing done still, sounds more like an easy pay-cheque. The US is still as unprepared as every other country with a bunch of lying idiots in charge, except there'll be more economic turbulence because of knee-jerk reactions from the White House, as has been the case with pretty much every international issue Trump touches. You can't give him credit for ineffectual policies designed for superficial appeasement (the political equivalent of pretending to type on a keyboard to look busy at work). The virus is already there, it's spreading like it did for Iran, Italy, and South Korea, and the task force twiddled their thumbs waiting for it knowing full well they didn't have anything useful in place.

If only the US had a team that was setup specially to deal with pandemics, some sort of response team, oh wait he got rid of that in 2018

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16 minutes ago, cossieuk said:

If only the US had a team that was setup specially to deal with pandemics, some sort of response team, oh wait he got rid of that in 2018

It's just lucky Congress ignored Trump when he kept trying to defund the CDC, or he'd be in even more of a pickle.

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12 minutes ago, Doro said:

It's just lucky Congress ignored Trump when he kept trying to defund the CDC, or he'd be in even more of a pickle.

At least he can read an autocue for almost 10 minutes, and still getting things wrong 

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12 minutes ago, cossieuk said:

At least he can read an autocue for almost 10 minutes, and still getting things wrong 

That would truly have been an achievement for someone holding one of the highest positions in the world... if only he'd managed to read it correctly and not require clarification for his mistakes afterwards. Donald J. Trump knows a lot about reading from prompters. He's looked into it, more than anyone else. He's the best a prompters. Sad.

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tell me...

how come the US infection rate per capita is much lower than in the EU?

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11 hours ago, Doro said:

Meeting daily with seemingly nothing done still,

oh that is where you are very wrong.  time unfolding is going to serve you and the rest of the gas-lighters a very full portion of crow.

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1 hour ago, LasraelLarson said:

tell me...

how come the US infection rate per capita is much lower than in the EU?

It's not, it's about the same.

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... gas-lighters...

I'd suggest looking up words before using them.

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30 minutes ago, Doro said:

It's not, it's about the same.

you sure you don't want to change your answer to lack of testing?

30 minutes ago, Doro said:

I'd suggest looking up words before using them.

and you could probably do with looking up "per capita"


and while your at it...  maybe get Brits (in general) to get this silly notion of "Herd Immunity" after recovering from infection...   cause that is a rather losing strategy if you ask me.

viruses mutate over time.  one cold recovery will never provide immunity for the cold virus. 

but from video above, it does look like they are looking for any opportunity to pounce Boris, regardless of what he does.

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The head immunity idea is utter bullshit, it will lead to many unnecessary deaths.  The aim for 60% herd immunity, with a death rate of 0.7% (this is the rate seen in South Korea) will lead to around a quarter of a million deaths in the UK.  That is unacceptable as a policy for any government

 

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12 minutes ago, LasraelLarson said:

you sure you don't want to change your answer to lack of testing?

Nope.

12 minutes ago, LasraelLarson said:

and you could probably do with looking up "per capita"

You could probably do with looking up what a percentage is.

12 minutes ago, LasraelLarson said:

and while your at it...  maybe get Brits (in general) to get this silly notion of "Herd Immunity" after recovering from infection...   cause that is a rather losing strategy if you ask me.

viruses mutate over time.  one cold recovery will never provide immunity for the cold virus. 

It's not known if this particular virus is like that. It could be that herd immunity works, but it's too early to pin a solution on that.

12 minutes ago, LasraelLarson said:

but from video above, it does look like they are looking for any opportunity to pounce Boris, regardless of what he does.

They always do for PMs, especially Tory ones.

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