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7 hours ago, cossieuk said:

I wonder why cases are rising in America

In red states, in the middle of summer, too.

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Looks like the world is at the 10 million confirmed infected mark. The UK has about 300,000 of those (roughly 0.5% of the UK population, which explains why I still don't know anyone who was apparently infected), the vast majority of which are pensioners in hospitals and care homes. The care home figures caused because the government was getting the NHS to abandon elderly patients and throw them back into what became plague houses for an otherwise nosocomial virus.

From what I've heard, people don't even know what's going on any more. BLM protests for a foreign country's perceived problem are good. Going to the beach is bad. People are free to go out as long as they "stay alert". Except for Wales, where you'll be hit with fines that may or may not be legal, like England's fines may or may not have been legal. Normal schools are closed until teachers become immortal. Private schools are open this whole time because there's not really much of a risk to kids and their education is important. There's a vaccine going into trials, but no vaccine is on the horizon to set any plans to, and companies are scrabbling to be the ones to introduce tracking services (so-called "vaccination passes") and a host of other Nineteen Eighty-Four limits on personal freedoms being mulled over by the government. Plus Italy apparently had it months before they knew, so it's likely the UK did as well, which meant the lockdown was better at destroying the economy and pensioner health than stopping the inevitable spread, though the lockdown was apparently to help the NHS not get overwhelmed but was still in place even after it was understood that most hospitals were at less than half capacity.

If the plan was to turn western society into a verifiable clown world, they succeeded.

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well, on the other hand (but maybe that's how the media reports it), in Europe we have it sort of under control, in many other countries (USA, whole southern america, India) it appears to become a bigger problem every day;

It's brutal to the elderly/ those with health issues, but most people don't have serious issues; In a government report in the Netherlands last week they said that 98% had no serious health issues, 1,5% needed hospital care and 0,35% ICU care;

I think the main problem is that you don't want your health care collapsing, that will cause many more deaths than this virus; 

 

And I think we are just beginning to discover what measures help and which don't help; Being in the same room for a longer period ==> high risk; Being outside ==> almost no risk;
And if people stay at home when feeling ill, it probably prevents a lot more diseases from spreading

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Yes, they more than succeeded in making the West a clown zone. The whiplash-inducing hypocrisy of the media is just too much for words now. It's not even a question of pretending not to be lying or shilling for one side. The mask is off, figuratively, and literally - when in cultic BLM reveries on the streets, where the pandemic risk magically disappears. "By any means necessary" will Western civilization be destroyed. 

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Back in the UK, Boris Johnson is now blaming care homes for the high death toll. Those same care homes he had the NHS fill back up with infected patients to make room for a pandemic in the general public that never happened. He properly messed up with the lockdown situation, but this weak deflection is the icing on the cake.

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I'm so glad I'm an anti-social bastard. Have nothing compelling me to rush out just because some inept politician tells me the lockdown is being lifted or eased. The Atlanta Mayor doesn't know how she contracted covid-19, like the BLM march she joined with face covering was a complete barrier to it?  We've seen indented faces of nurses and doctors who are wearing the fitted respirators and PPE correctly and surviving.  Unless all breathing is filtered it's not going to be enough if you're in a room thick with virus.

But I get the face coverings limiting spread, my cough isn't bound by any 2 meter rule. But a face covering is likely to force your breath into channels around you so sitting next to others rather than opposite as is suggested for distancing will be worse when covered. But the media is showing just how bad people in the west are at face coverings; ill-fitted and loose, touching them and not keeping up distancing.  

I'm happy to leave all the worlds respirators to healthcare workers so that they are still around when I get infected. Hopefully my local hospital will have bought some ECMOs before then.

In the mean time; I can duct tape four layers of kitchen paper to my face and cover with a style mask if I'm tempted out. It maybe won't filter the virus it may filter what the virus is piggy backing. If you can steam up your glasses or a mirror just breathing then it's of little use.  

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On 7/7/2020 at 1:05 AM, Doro said:

Back in the UK, Boris Johnson is now blaming care homes for the high death toll. Those same care homes he had the NHS fill back up with infected patients to make room for a pandemic in the general public that never happened. He properly messed up with the lockdown situation, but this weak deflection is the icing on the cake.

Another cheer leader/deflector. In normal times we could ask if this could have been handled worse. Should we not feel fortunate we are this side of the pond at least?

For care home work you either have a calling for it and the "caring" and heartstring pulling may take precedence over adherence to clinical processes or draw in the less able given the staffing shortfalls.  They were setup to fail, but then the UK's Governments tends to discriminate by age a lot. Even the NHS is more about treating symptoms to get the tax-payer back paying taxes than curing our ills though they rush to it when a death is on the cards. But it grows the morbidity in the populous and that's coming home to roost now.

I don't think Boris makes the top 10 of the world's most dangerous man though. He's just not good enough at it.

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21 hours ago, Macdui101 said:

Even the NHS is more about treating symptoms to get the tax-payer back paying taxes than curing our ills though they rush to it when a death is on the cards.

The NHS is probably the best example against universal healthcare that could be found. When it's as flabby, ineffective, and over-relied on as it is, everyone ends up with shit service that (as you say) is less concerned with fixing problems and more concerned with band-aids to keep the tax sources grinding away.

Ironically, by forcing a nationwide house arrest on millions of innocent people to "flatten the curve" so the NHS can cope, the NHS is now struggling with a massive backlog of people who fortunately did survive not being able to have regular appointments for the last few months. Lucky they did it when less than half a percent of the population got sick, so that they're really fucked if larger numbers get infected in the coming months.

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6 hours ago, cossieuk said:

Why do people have such a problem wearing a mask in shops.  Some of the shit they are spouting is bonkers

I'm against them for a number of reasons, some comfort (I tried to wear a mask once and it genuinely makes it hard to breathe, like every breath is hot and feels limited), but mostly out of principle. The combination of masks not really being effective, nobody needing them for months, the government making up shit as it goes, most people not being a concern even if infected because they're asymptomatic, virus predictions based on faulty models, the main source of infections being hospitals and nursing homes not supermarkets, society functioning perfectly well with the countless other diseases we've risked catching before, and the general attempts at authoritarian control over people's lives, etc., has turned a mask into less of a tool for limiting spread of coughs/sneezes, and more of a symbol of acquiescence to the totalitarian tip-toe. Give an inch and they'll slap you with a fine before taking a mile.

The risk from COVID-19 for the vast majority of people is so low that all this fear-mongering from the media allows for much easier application of instant government rules to pretty much any other minor concern that occurs, paving the way for broad house arrests whenever they see fit and for the most ridiculous of reasons. Wearing a mask tells TPTB that people are willing to accept greater and greater intrusions into their life and liberty, as long as they're told it's for something that massages their ego (like "saving lives" was designed to do). It's a visual indicator to separate the willing from the rebels, which makes it easier for them to know who to target with more domineering. Oppression by a thousand inconveniences, so to speak.

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