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7 hours ago, cossieuk said:

I wonder why cases are rising in America

In red states, in the middle of summer, too.

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Looks like the world is at the 10 million confirmed infected mark. The UK has about 300,000 of those (roughly 0.5% of the UK population, which explains why I still don't know anyone who was apparently infected), the vast majority of which are pensioners in hospitals and care homes. The care home figures caused because the government was getting the NHS to abandon elderly patients and throw them back into what became plague houses for an otherwise nosocomial virus.

From what I've heard, people don't even know what's going on any more. BLM protests for a foreign country's perceived problem are good. Going to the beach is bad. People are free to go out as long as they "stay alert". Except for Wales, where you'll be hit with fines that may or may not be legal, like England's fines may or may not have been legal. Normal schools are closed until teachers become immortal. Private schools are open this whole time because there's not really much of a risk to kids and their education is important. There's a vaccine going into trials, but no vaccine is on the horizon to set any plans to, and companies are scrabbling to be the ones to introduce tracking services (so-called "vaccination passes") and a host of other Nineteen Eighty-Four limits on personal freedoms being mulled over by the government. Plus Italy apparently had it months before they knew, so it's likely the UK did as well, which meant the lockdown was better at destroying the economy and pensioner health than stopping the inevitable spread, though the lockdown was apparently to help the NHS not get overwhelmed but was still in place even after it was understood that most hospitals were at less than half capacity.

If the plan was to turn western society into a verifiable clown world, they succeeded.

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well, on the other hand (but maybe that's how the media reports it), in Europe we have it sort of under control, in many other countries (USA, whole southern america, India) it appears to become a bigger problem every day;

It's brutal to the elderly/ those with health issues, but most people don't have serious issues; In a government report in the Netherlands last week they said that 98% had no serious health issues, 1,5% needed hospital care and 0,35% ICU care;

I think the main problem is that you don't want your health care collapsing, that will cause many more deaths than this virus; 

 

And I think we are just beginning to discover what measures help and which don't help; Being in the same room for a longer period ==> high risk; Being outside ==> almost no risk;
And if people stay at home when feeling ill, it probably prevents a lot more diseases from spreading

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Yes, they more than succeeded in making the West a clown zone. The whiplash-inducing hypocrisy of the media is just too much for words now. It's not even a question of pretending not to be lying or shilling for one side. The mask is off, figuratively, and literally - when in cultic BLM reveries on the streets, where the pandemic risk magically disappears. "By any means necessary" will Western civilization be destroyed. 

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Back in the UK, Boris Johnson is now blaming care homes for the high death toll. Those same care homes he had the NHS fill back up with infected patients to make room for a pandemic in the general public that never happened. He properly messed up with the lockdown situation, but this weak deflection is the icing on the cake.

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I'm so glad I'm an anti-social bastard. Have nothing compelling me to rush out just because some inept politician tells me the lockdown is being lifted or eased. The Atlanta Mayor doesn't know how she contracted covid-19, like the BLM march she joined with face covering was a complete barrier to it?  We've seen indented faces of nurses and doctors who are wearing the fitted respirators and PPE correctly and surviving.  Unless all breathing is filtered it's not going to be enough if you're in a room thick with virus.

But I get the face coverings limiting spread, my cough isn't bound by any 2 meter rule. But a face covering is likely to force your breath into channels around you so sitting next to others rather than opposite as is suggested for distancing will be worse when covered. But the media is showing just how bad people in the west are at face coverings; ill-fitted and loose, touching them and not keeping up distancing.  

I'm happy to leave all the worlds respirators to healthcare workers so that they are still around when I get infected. Hopefully my local hospital will have bought some ECMOs before then.

In the mean time; I can duct tape four layers of kitchen paper to my face and cover with a style mask if I'm tempted out. It maybe won't filter the virus it may filter what the virus is piggy backing. If you can steam up your glasses or a mirror just breathing then it's of little use.  

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On 7/7/2020 at 1:05 AM, Doro said:

Back in the UK, Boris Johnson is now blaming care homes for the high death toll. Those same care homes he had the NHS fill back up with infected patients to make room for a pandemic in the general public that never happened. He properly messed up with the lockdown situation, but this weak deflection is the icing on the cake.

Another cheer leader/deflector. In normal times we could ask if this could have been handled worse. Should we not feel fortunate we are this side of the pond at least?

For care home work you either have a calling for it and the "caring" and heartstring pulling may take precedence over adherence to clinical processes or draw in the less able given the staffing shortfalls.  They were setup to fail, but then the UK's Governments tends to discriminate by age a lot. Even the NHS is more about treating symptoms to get the tax-payer back paying taxes than curing our ills though they rush to it when a death is on the cards. But it grows the morbidity in the populous and that's coming home to roost now.

I don't think Boris makes the top 10 of the world's most dangerous man though. He's just not good enough at it.

Mac 

 

 

 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Macdui101 said:

Even the NHS is more about treating symptoms to get the tax-payer back paying taxes than curing our ills though they rush to it when a death is on the cards.

The NHS is probably the best example against universal healthcare that could be found. When it's as flabby, ineffective, and over-relied on as it is, everyone ends up with shit service that (as you say) is less concerned with fixing problems and more concerned with band-aids to keep the tax sources grinding away.

Ironically, by forcing a nationwide house arrest on millions of innocent people to "flatten the curve" so the NHS can cope, the NHS is now struggling with a massive backlog of people who fortunately did survive not being able to have regular appointments for the last few months. Lucky they did it when less than half a percent of the population got sick, so that they're really fucked if larger numbers get infected in the coming months.

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Why do people have such a problem wearing a mask in shops.  Some of the shit they are spouting is bonkers

 

 

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6 hours ago, cossieuk said:

Why do people have such a problem wearing a mask in shops.  Some of the shit they are spouting is bonkers

I'm against them for a number of reasons, some comfort (I tried to wear a mask once and it genuinely makes it hard to breathe, like every breath is hot and feels limited), but mostly out of principle. The combination of masks not really being effective, nobody needing them for months, the government making up shit as it goes, most people not being a concern even if infected because they're asymptomatic, virus predictions based on faulty models, the main source of infections being hospitals and nursing homes not supermarkets, society functioning perfectly well with the countless other diseases we've risked catching before, and the general attempts at authoritarian control over people's lives, etc., has turned a mask into less of a tool for limiting spread of coughs/sneezes, and more of a symbol of acquiescence to the totalitarian tip-toe. Give an inch and they'll slap you with a fine before taking a mile.

The risk from COVID-19 for the vast majority of people is so low that all this fear-mongering from the media allows for much easier application of instant government rules to pretty much any other minor concern that occurs, paving the way for broad house arrests whenever they see fit and for the most ridiculous of reasons. Wearing a mask tells TPTB that people are willing to accept greater and greater intrusions into their life and liberty, as long as they're told it's for something that massages their ego (like "saving lives" was designed to do). It's a visual indicator to separate the willing from the rebels, which makes it easier for them to know who to target with more domineering. Oppression by a thousand inconveniences, so to speak.

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It ofc depends on what country you are in and how much your government relies on lies and spin for for their power and the stupidity of their supporters and whether they fear loosing that power over it's people's lives. 

But if your country does have rising cases: 

Not wearing a mask will work for you fine up until you unknowingly sit down with someone who is shedding the shit in your space.

Better hope they at least are wearing a mask for your safety. Viral load does seem to effect outcome.

But if the shedder has taken the "greatly exaggerated" line then good luck.

 

Opening up appeals to the less risk adverse, more cavalier amongst us. Are these the right people to use as test cases for businesses to trial their covid-19 procedures?

Flights opening up and holidays are going the appeal to these less risk averse initially. Guinea pigs for the travel industry?

And when it starts to go wrong do we plough on or step back and lower confidence further.

Business owners will have ever increasing economic pressure brought to bare so what takes a back seat?  The world seems filled with morons these days, are you going to put your faith in every one of them that crosses your path?  

    

But it's not just a thing you may get and just one or two percent will die it can be the struggle to survive it and then the post viral effects that can be life changing.  If you get it at the wrong time and in the wrong place will you even get treatment to make it through?

Chances are you do get treated and survive but you've taken up the resources that could have been used on another. Take it up to a national level and the abject failures aren't in any position to aid the poorer countries and it won't be "over" until it's over everywhere.

Mac

 

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It turns out that the UK tracking of both COVID-19 cases and deaths was flawed in a fairly major way (which I've been saying for weeks, if not months). I was right all along, they really were counting figures where people had SUSPECTED cases (no tests) as COVID-19 deaths. The cause of death didn't have to be COVID-19, it didn't even need to be proved, it just had to be mentioned on the death certificate. It even counted people who had a so-called positive result, survived, carried on for months afterwards, and THEN died from something else. That's a COVID-19 death, according to the figures.

And to add insult to injury, it turns out that some of the testing was massively flawed in that it was detecting antibodies in patients that had caught a cold, and came out positive as a result for COVID-19... because what the test was looking for was present in any infection from the coronavirus family. So they got flooded with a bunch of "positives" because of how obviously common the common cold is, and assumed it was the supposed pandemic.

Something else is going on that's killing thousands of vulnerable elderly people, and I've yet to put all the pieces together into a watertight explanation (much like the official narrative with all its holes), but it's far from a scenario that should have warranted the kind of political, social, and economic reaction it did.

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That moment when the leader of a nation is on the receiving end of a smackdown and can't get back up with dignity. Instead he says, fuck you all I'm taking my ball home.

Corona virus stupidity at its finest.

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https://9gag.com/gag/a2WMryd

At least the virus went away like a miracle in April because of warmer weather...

Edit: I love that he says in the same minute that their death rate to cases is lower than some countries, but also that they're testing at a much higher rate than other countries. He's inflating the cases figure to make the percentage of deaths look better than they are. I guess he knows most of his followers lack the intelligence to work out that what he's saying really is "if we were testing at the rate everyone else is, I'd be trying to ignore the deaths vs cases figure, just like I'm ignoring the total deaths figure, because it shows how badly I'm doing".

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